Shifter Testing

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:18 pm

So Ive been testing out my new shifter and have found some stuff that may or may not be in error.

1. The wiki previously said constructs had +15 ac. Metis's changes reported that they received +10. Constructs now receive a total of +20 ac.

2. Githzerai AC token does not effect AC in Construct shape. It does work in all non-epic shapes. (dont have dragonshape to test yet)

Overall i've loved the shifter changes. If any other shifters have found anything feel free to post it here.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:46 pm

Who's your Shifter?

Post by **Metis** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:19 pm

Ah yes I should clarified that better, the ac bonus is additional to what they would get, the problem is I boosted shifters based on the existing design. So I will add +x but within NS4 they have been revamped so many times a lot of the stats dont match the original nwn, original iron gets +15 so would be +25 but to get exact numbers I would have to go through each form, note the stats check grimoire subtract and thats the final.

aint gonna happen

Post by **Metis** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:37 pm

So do I take the lack of feedback as a good or bad thing?

Just a side note, you will find I tend to punish traitors to my people much harsher then the other Gods

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:40 pm

still not many ppl using shifters yet

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:47 pm

No feedback to give as far as needed changes, aside from Slaad, Tiger, and some of the other unarmed shapes still needing a damage bump.

Dragonshape seems to be pretty well balanced, although I need to put a list in my Journal of what dragonshape is vulnerable to what now...

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:03 pm

I have now confirmed that the Githzerai AC token does not add AC to dragon shape. I think its pretty safe to assume it wont work for any epic feat shapes.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:17 pm

haha, thats what you get for making cheese.

Post by **Metis** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:32 pm

The gith token is deflection besides the very annoying bioware making everything deflection almost any character past 20 would have that much deflect ac fom equipment, it actually used to work but now dragons merge your items belts etc so the trade-off is well worth it since before it was only armor.

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:50 pm

The token was changed to dodge when Githzerai got redone.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:53 pm

BTW, for those who don't know it--Mage Armor gives +3 to your AC if it's cast on you after you shift.

Post by **Sparky** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:21 pm

Met is saying that, while the token grants a Dodge bonus, if you use the token before shifting into a shape, the Engine will roll this AC bonus, and any other non Armor AC bonuses into a Deflection bonus, and only the highest of these deflection bonuses will count towards your armor.

Nothing we can really do about the shoddy item merging without a hack.
Hence our tinkering with stats in others way.

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:58 pm

Sparky wrote:Nothing we can really do about the shoddy item merging without a hack.
Hence our tinkering with stats in others way.

How does NS3.5 do it then??? The merging on there -seems- to be a lot better...

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:21 pm

they have a comprehensive shifter script that mergers all items and bonuses into your shape. i use one on my tester mod, its what makes shifters able to attain 100+ac.

any shape that has a body part able to hold any of the said equipment allows it to merge into your body. hence the armor, helms, boots, ammy, rings, belts, and cloaks. shields are the questionable items and the rest could technically be used by any shape useable in NWN. as we all know, magical items convienently fit to your size.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:14 pm

Except for Short Wide Platemail, which is only useable by bearded soccer-ball men.