metagaming lameness

dond · Post by **dond** » Sun May 09, 2004 8:36 pm

we all know about the getting eq for your 'other' self etc, which many people do, and some don't agree with. with beta out for awhile now, a new 'lameness' has raised it's head.

people are using high lvl chars to clear out zones so that their low level selves can xp there (for instance, giant mountain). that is what i consider lame

(and exploitive!). can we have the devs stance on this? i don't think a scriptable solution would be feasible, but maybe a rule or dm solution?
having to log your high lvl char to fight your low lvl char battles total ruins the pvp faction deal..

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun May 09, 2004 8:51 pm

You mean clear areas out so that when they come back with their low level characters they can fight the enemy 1 by 1 since they haven't all spawned back?

dond · Post by **dond** » Sun May 09, 2004 8:53 pm

no, i mean clear out the other pc's in the areas

ie. log your high lvl char there. bring your lowbie and xp. oo, another char has just come to 'your' zone. log off the lowbie, log your highbie, kill them. relog your lowbie, continue to xp.

although what you said too is pretty lame

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun May 09, 2004 8:55 pm

That is totally lame, I agree with you.

Agent Shiny · Post by **Agent Shiny** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:01 pm

lol again
this is a shift from ns3 ns n4
so whaddya expect?
it will attract players who like to take it slow and easy and have all the time to play
and it will drive out those who have liked ns3 very much.
and it will lure bad ideas from players who wants to stay in ns4 but is not in total agreement with the facts of what ns4 is.

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:30 pm

Hmm.. never knew this was a purely rp server. If they're metagaming i don't see how it's against the rules. And if you're asking ooc to get them removed, instead of doing so yourself in character, isn't that metagaming? ...

Billiard · Post by **Billiard** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:35 pm

But it is worse than camping since the player actively uses one character to prevent others from leveling in certain zones for the benefit of other own characters. I would guess that any deity that saw this occuring would look down on it - hopefully removing the offending player and/or the experience gained this way. If twinking is highly discouraged (as I thought it was) then I imagine this must be as well.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:48 pm

http://www.nsrealm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=26

"Players or groups who excessively camp a specific spot in order to harvest items from a mob are not an issue unless they prevent other players from getting the same drop. Once they camp to the point where other players cannot get the item, it’s considered to be excessive camping.

Camping does not include defending your factional territory."

In specific instances this hogging of an area is against the rules.
If you're in another's factional territory, you're out of luck it seems.
I also doubt the above rule is for camping for items only, I would think it would include for xp as well.
Maybe one of the dev or dm's needs to reword the camping rule.

AuTEC · Post by **AuTEC** » Sun May 09, 2004 10:22 pm

I just got a pm from this player, and he said he tried to level up in giant mountain but he was being killed by higher level hostile faction players. So he took his even higher level player and killed them...

Its bad behavior... and kindof against roleplaying. But I think this type of behavior is in just about everyones blood...

If you get killed by someone 5 levels higher than you, and you have a character even higher, you'd probably bring him on and try to kill the guy that killed you...

In this case its different because he decided to kill all hostile people, he claims he didn't kill anyone effortless to him. We'll try to get a solution or an answer to this problem shortly. Bear with us until the developers get a chance to think about it.

Thank you for the post!

-AuTEC

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun May 09, 2004 10:27 pm

This one upping with seperate characters is SO Diablo II...

ATI · Post by **ATI** » Sun May 09, 2004 10:43 pm

Oh man...diablo II......there some gaming crack i wish i never did

Still though to get even with those that mess with ya....i think thats fair. Against RP yes, but getting even is getting even. If they serve you a head on their platter, you deserve to get yours against the player. Someone kills you, heck get a better player and slice and dice

However.....clearing an area with a high char just to lvl with a low char...thats a little lame. WHy not just ask people to leave, like back in NS3. saying, "I was here first could you please let me clear it?" goes a long way, or at least it did back in the day.

However! If you weren't in the area first, you have no right to claim the exp rewards. Unless you want to be a jerk....which of course....is lame.

Post by **DeputyDog** » Sun May 09, 2004 11:47 pm

Dam why cant you guys just party up and massivlly kill everything in sight.

Just because you are hostile doesnt mean you cant party.

What is this, Lineage II?

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:07 am

can't be, you guys respond to our complaints

AuTEC · Post by **AuTEC** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:10 am

lol I think DD is trying to say.... (I'll be waiting for a slap if I'm wrong DD lol)

Lets cut the drama and try to work these problems out ourselves. If you're in giant mountain and get killed by a single character you should party up with some friends so that you aren't so vulnerable to a single player who has a different idea of fun than you do.

-AuTEC

ATI · Post by **ATI** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:16 am

no no no don't get me wrong....Im all for going up and partying with people outside my factiojn....and killing everything in sight

Its just sometimes the peasants are more unwashed than i expected...