Mighty Rage fubar'd?

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:28 pm

It seems Mighty Rage does not work as advertised.
I hit my 21st level of barb and got my feat selection which included mighty rage.
Having waited the whole build for it I was sorely disappointed by its effects.
Instead of the +8 str, +8 Con and +4 will save, I got +1 atk, +1 saves and +22 hp.
I used this ability both in and out of combat same effect.
I went back to using greater rage to see if mighty overrode greater and there was no difference.
Greater Rage still worked as it should have.
Was something changed?

Post by **Sparky** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:41 pm

Works in addition to Greater rage and its working exactly as advertised. A little research is your friend.

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewt ... &start=105
About halfway down.

And.

http://www.nsrealm.com/ns4wiki/index.php/Mighty_Rage

Nyeleni · Post by **Nyeleni** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:01 pm

On a related topic, was it intended that the haste bonus the pure barbarians get from their token drops when the rage ends? This is only an issue when rage gives haste too (lvl30).

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:07 pm

Nyeleni wrote:On a related topic, was it intended that the haste bonus the pure barbarians get from their token drops when the rage ends? This is only an issue when rage gives haste too (lvl30).

i dont think it does. it doesnt really give haste, just a 20%speed boost. if you activate barb rage haste after that....you dont really see that big of a speed boost. once rage wears off, you dont really see that big of a speed loss...lots of times i dont even notice my rage wore off while running.

now, i havent actually tested it hardcore, these are just my observations..

and also, mighty rage gets dispelled. is this supposed to happen?

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:20 pm

Ok, I saw the changes. And I for one think they blow chunks.
I lose 2 AC, +3 will save. Not too mention the loss to discipline and any other skills that require str.
This was done why?
Was it broken before? If not then why "fix" it?

And Sparky, you say a little research is your friend, did you see the return of results when mighty rage was entered? 3 pages. And most probably had nothing to do with mighty rage or even rage in general.
The search engine provided by phpBB really stinks IMO.
Now the wiki I did not check for the simple fact that I didnt check it.

P.S. While on topic, if thats the way its gonna stay then the description should be changed in game.

Post by **Sparky** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:56 pm

I appreciate your difference in opinion. A lot of people, myself included, thought the original Mighty Rage was fairly worthless as this server goes. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (I often am), but before Mighty Rage and Greater rage couldn't be use together, so, for example, that +3 to will save's you're losing as actually only a +1 to Will Saves. (Greater Rage +2 Will and Might Rage +1 all =3). But, if you're a Pure Class Barb, as level 22 you gain +4 Will saves, +8 STR/CON when you use Greater Rage, so there ya go, in addition to the bonuses gained when Mighty Rage is Activated.

And yes, you're correct that Mighty Rage doesn't aid or hinder your AC in any way. When deciding on how to change Mighty Rage, I had to consider Pure Class bonuses in the mix, as well as general party Mechanics.

If you're not going pure class Barbarian, then yes, you're not gaining maximum benefit from the current Rage mechanics as they are, but that means you're gaining from some other class aspects.

My apologies for my somewhat terse post, you're right that the search function isn't the best it could be. I just went straight to the post I made, which someone who didn't make the post wouldn't possibly be aware, so my apologies.

Also, no, it shouldn't be dispellable, I'll try to get someone to look into it.

P.S. As far as I know, changing ingame descriptions of stock Bioware abilities and spell requires a hack, or else all of our spell changes ect.. would be reflected accurately ingame.

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:12 pm

As far as I can tell mighty rage was to replace greater rage. While it is true they could not be used together the same can be said of expertise and improved expertise. Does that make expertise useless?
Looking at the rage progression you have Rage +4 to str and con, +2 will and a -2 AC now we have greater rage which is +6 to str and con, +3 to will and still the same -2 AC.
Now to mighty rage which is +8 to str and con,+4 to will but we no longer have the AC penalty.
By changing mighty rage you have added an extra action and have retained the penalty. I honestly do not see the improvement on this supposedly useless feat.

Aarkon Draco · Post by **Aarkon Draco** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:51 am

as sparky said this only effects non pure barbarians who are gaining benefits from other classes. and while i can see how some might be disappointed i dont see this as a major build breaker.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:32 am

it was a useless feat in the aspect that you could top out your +12 to stats with the lesser of the two then why even try to get the big rage...it was changed to give you something that you might actually use if you wanted to, not if you had to.

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:23 am

It was useful for those of us that werent casters. It is also useful to have this ability and not get penalized in the AC department.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:29 am

once you get to about lvl 30+ and you have mostly +6-8 gear...why would you need a +8 from rage? it doesn't stack past the +12 cutoff. i'm not sure i see any logic in saying it was good before when it wasn't needed/taken at all for the fact it never added anything to your stats and made you lose ac also....

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:51 am

It didn't make you lose AC, it gave back the AC you lost from greater rage. But with the "fix" you still lose the AC. You are right Tep, I have +7 gloves but the rage maxes out my str and con. I wouldn't be able to do that otherwise because I am not a caster. I was looking forward to using the mighty rage just so I wouldn't lose the AC.
Easy fix, give mighty rage +2 AC. That way it is the way it should've been the whole time. Greater Rage takes 2 AC and Mighty Rage gives 2 AC, that way it is a wash.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:53 pm

it never gave it back, it just never took it away. just take your build back to the way barbs were before, no one took that feat anyway so there was nothing to gripe about.

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:00 pm

Right, it never took it away originally. But it is in effect taking it away by having to use mighty rage in conjunction with greater rage to make it work.

Post by **Sparky** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:13 pm

It sounds like you're mostly upset about the AC issue,in which -2 is about a mediorce loss, and the loss of -1 WILL since you've maxxed your STR and CON. Instead, you gain other bonuses, such as; (+5 Damage, Equal to +10 STR worth of damage, +1 Hit, which works if you're STR of Dex based, +1 to ALL saves, equaling +2 CON/WIS/DEX, and +1 Temp HP per level, equivalent to another +2 CON)which you would not be able to otherwise gain, since you've stated that you already maxed out your STR and CON, despite the fact you are not a caster. So, it seems like, while you're losing in one area, you're still gaining in another. 6, 1/2 Dozen I suppose, can't please everyone.

If you're not a Pure Class Barbarian, I'm sorry you're losing out, otherwise, the AC loss eventually dissapears with experience thanks to other bonuses.

And no offense, but it is really that much of a hassle to click the free action Mighty Rage to activate it? Last I checked, it took me about 3 seconds to get both Rages up and running.