MA

[Gornickthy]

I was just wondering about two key issues:

1. Has the epic defender issue been resolved yet with the cradle in Garagoth? Last I heard the epic defenders were still spawning at the old location instead of the new one. I have not checked personally, but just reporting what was brought to my attention.

2. Why is the bind point in the wastes still public? I have heard the most feeble excuses from the NS staff with no real support for their decisions. The location is a MA job point and in MA lands. The NC bind point is faction only even though it should be made public, so why the selected favoritism? The cradle in MA has been changed so now it is time to make things right with the bind point in the tent.

[mgrjebbo]

the beryn bind point is only TC NC because thats the way the staff wants it. The angmar bind point is public because thats the way the staff wants it.

enough said

[Aarkon Draco]

the angmar one is also for dwarves/earth plane use

[Iteries]

Also, with the binding point in wastes is extremely helpful when your just doing the planes. Respawning in FD all the time then going by boat each time is costly.

But in all fairness.. if there is a player complaint about the bind points..

A suggestion for a public one on the Hallowtop hut in the grove there. It would be great for the Amazon & posi runs for the respawning point

Just a fairness idea

[DeputyDog]

Wastes Bind point is an oasis for anyone to use. Beryn was originally a neutral city but was overtaken by NC and is more of a border town now.

There is a neutral bind spot in the highlands, but that is far.

As for MA lands, Frostdale to Grey Shores is a quick hop. Im not sure why you want The oasis to be MA only. its not in a strategic location. And yes its meant for formians, duergar, underdark and planar use.

[Kirg]

highlands isnt neutral anymore

[Ajantis.]

nor should it be

[Gornickthy]

One reason behind the concern for the bind point in the oasis is that it is a major spam raid point against MA. There is no cost involved to hinder the raiding process. We have seen monks get killed and be back before we can rest and fully rebuff. Now that time crystals are rare we have very little defense against spamming spawning monks from that bind point. Now this is not a complaint directed at the staff or other players, well except for mgrjebbo who lacks any common sense what so ever and only likes to reply to here his own b.s., but the truth is that MA has had only two main defenses that were taken away. Time crystals/Time Stop and the cradle location. At least forcing players to pay for boat or dragon rides may allow some relief from the nonstop barrage of little speedsters that MA simply cannot deal with any more. Before I hear the many wah wah wah better builds nonsense remember that MA is STRICTLY limited to what classes we can have. Even before the cradle was moved I have seen 1 monk come in on many occasions and steal the relic while there were more than four defenders, sometimes there were six to eight. So in the scheme of things something as simple as the bind point may seem ridiculous, but it would prevent the spawn spamming raids on MA, and it would not hinder planar parties in the least since Ave is just one screen from the dragon.

Changes have been made for the concept of the greater good of the server, all of which I personally do not agree with in full. PM's have been nerfed. Time Crystals have been nerfed. The MA cradle has been moved. A MA guild has been deleted. All we ask is for a simple bone to be thrown our way. The bind point has been an issue that has been brought up on several occasions over the past couple years, but now I feel it is a very feasible request. As long as MA has a job task in the tent and the tent is in MA lands then it should be an MA bind point.

MA as described:

A mysterious group of mages, rogues, and other arcane practitioners that have gathered together in the shadows of the isolated city of Garagoth. Their power lies in all facets of arcane magic and thievery, and are perhaps the closest faction to solving the mystery of the planar rifts. Ruled by two sorcerer brothers, Khalan and Ashan, and a haven for criminals of all kinds, they have purposefully set themselves off from the rest of the realm, using hidden tunnels and magic to travel rather than cumbersome (and dangerous) roads. A tentative alliance with the Drow of the Shadow Legion has helped against the intrusions of the Dwarves and the Yuan-Ti sect of the Ancient Ones into the Ash Mountains.

Having that bind point removes the isolation that is suppose to be Garagoth. The bind point goes against the very description of that part of the world.

[Alkapwn]

I love Neversummer!!!!!
*hic* I love you guys
Gornickthy u should come and hang out in AO where we have no jobs and we love it!!!! Underdog all the way!!! '
"Without change the sleeper will not awaken. THE SLEEPER MUST AWAKEN!" .....Dune-Frank Herbert

[-BannyD-]

oh
my
god....

i only read the first sentence of your post, Gornickthy.....you are complaining that MA can be "spam raided"??? Hah just wow....open those eyes of yours. You have the only city that can be entered from one direction, thats one place to defend. there are loads of bottlenecks to fight the enemy on and prevent advance.

the Oasis is a good what...8maps away from garagoth itself? (im guessing, its far) with the grey shores ferry like...6maps? 6-8 rather big maps to traverse before getting to your city is "spam raiding?"

just think about your situation dude. imagine having a spawn point in your fricken [censored]. im talking about Sleeth and Neversummer City. Those are the only two factions that can even begin complaining about "spam raids". Enemy dies, respawns in FD...hops the ferry, boom you are back in action. Sure it costs some gold, but whats gold to a high lvl character..aka a raider? zilch, its easy to get and doesnt create restrictions on travel at those levels (oh wait, MA toons spend it all on heals...).

so i dunno, maybe i should read more of your post than the first sentence but i dont really think i have to.

MA has to have it the easiest.

[Lorkar1]

IF thats the way it will be then fine...make all bind points outside of faction cities neutral. Problem solved.

[Gornickthy]

oh
my
god....

i only read the first sentence of your post, Gornickthy.....you are complaining that MA can be "spam raided"??? Hah just wow....open those eyes of yours. You have the only city that can be entered from one direction, thats one place to defend. there are loads of bottlenecks to fight the enemy on and prevent advance.

the Oasis is a good what...8maps away from garagoth itself? (im guessing, its far) with the grey shores ferry like...6maps? 6-8 rather big maps to traverse before getting to your city is "spam raiding?"

just think about your situation dude. imagine having a spawn point in your fricken [censored]. im talking about Sleeth and Neversummer City. Those are the only two factions that can even begin complaining about "spam raids". Enemy dies, respawns in FD...hops the ferry, boom you are back in action. Sure it costs some gold, but whats gold to a high lvl character..aka a raider? zilch, its easy to get and doesnt create restrictions on travel at those levels (oh wait, MA toons spend it all on heals...).

so i dunno, maybe i should read more of your post than the first sentence but i dont really think i have to.

MA has to have it the easiest.

You are so right.. you should read an entire post before responding.

[-BannyD-]

You are so right.. you should read an entire post before responding.

read it, i retract nothing from my post...however i will add to it

time crystals as a defense -is- a weakness of your builds, yes i said it wah wah. look at some of the non-MA mages. did they cry when timestop was taken away? no..because they can play a mage and dont need to resort to spamming a spell that is deactivated on most NWN servers. i dont see why you need to resort to timestop, mages have plenty of other stuff they can throw about. time crystals were never nerfed, they are at what they were always supposed to be like...the spamming days were when the drop in time crystals had a flaw in the scripting.

i dont think i even need to add commentary on how your old cradle position was overpowered....think its fresh in everyones minds on why it was, infact, moved.

nor do i on MD guild getting deleted...that was their fault.

your isolation is still king. you cannot be flanked and raiders still have to traverse half a dozen +maps to get there (someone count). the combination of these makes for an easy defense. RK and NC are next in line. they take awhile to get to as well, but each has several entrances.

ya it stinks you guys have few classes, why i never liked MA. but you still have great faction position for defense and plenty of viable builds. i dont have to worry about build restrictions (much) in AO, neither does LA...but we pay for that benefit with a horrible defensive structure.

i know i wont be able to make dedicated MA players change closeminded visions of their incredibly "nerfed" faction to something closer to balance, but maybe the rest of the server might agree with me that these changes are all in good manner.

i apologize now for being aggressive...im just tired of the whining when theres nothign really to whine about

*edit* actually i would like to see comments on this from Linuxpup. someone who played MA for a large amount of time would surely be able to give a credible response...and since hes a dev/helper/whatever...im assuming his position wouldnt be too biased.

[Lorkar1]

Banny you say its a quick hop to Sleeth from FD. Great...put a ferry in Garagoth the same as Sleeth and NS city and make the oasis an MA bind point. If you are concerned about binding for the dwarf plane and earth plane put a bind point in the hive.

[-BannyD-]

Banny you say its a quick hop to Sleeth from FD. Great...put a ferry in Garagoth the same as Sleeth and NS city and make the oasis an MA bind point. If you are concerned about binding for the dwarf plane and earth plane put a bind point in the hive.

sure, they have a port. but i dont wanna hear crying about spam raids and a lack of isolation created from it since that would certainly happen