Taking away def of the pure

[cRaZy8or5e]

I know a lot of people thought this was an unfair advantage that we had. I'm not one for complaining, but heck my daughter woke me up at 5 AM after I played till 1 AM last night so I'm feeling a tad obnoxious.

Why take away our one little bit of uber raiding ability? Come on, we in the NC don't have much as it is. Yes we have a prestige class that can really help melee builds and can give our toons great saves. However we're pretty limited with no caster/no true dispel ability (ie mords), we don't get to grapple, and we don't get all the advantages that having a spellcasting class gives a faction. I don't care who you are but having the ability to dispel your enemies with a certainty is a power that the NC really misses. Now you take away our speed? This was one of our aces in the hole. Why take it away when the chips are stacked against us buildwise in the first place?

*sigh*

and I still hadn't gotten to build my mk/CoT stunner that was still gonna be faster than a pure monk

That's not the true reason why I'm upset (though it may be subconsciously driving this post). It's just difficult to swallow right now when we've been getting kicked around be everyone for so long and now we've finally got numbers to kick back and then we get kicked from on high lol, by a former enemy no less. A former enemy who has been working on "fixing" things that helped us in the lean years. Its hard to not view this "fixing" as a vendetta. Heck our own God, HelpingHelm raided us yesterday while the BB's were raiding. The Defender of the Pure item helped Ainarato (and friends thanks Yak and Brute) to chase him down too and then eventually kill him after much running around along the ancient road. Why does our own God raid us? I don't know, but it makes me a little upset and a little suspicious.

*whew* ok I feel better. Got all that off my chest. Game on!

[P. Fricebottle]

You mean your DM Speed? I don't know, maybe because it was an exploit? They did the same to LA with the Messenger item.

And your post is just stupid. I'm sorry crazy, but its just stupid. You won last night, and you're complaining? Where is the logic in that?

Why take away our one little bit of uber raiding ability? Come on, we in the NC don't have much as it is.

I recall 3 pure fighters all with a total of 9 irresistible knockdowns last night. I also recall not being able to implode a single NC character, too high saves. The only ones I could implode were from TSS. Cultist, er, I mean Champion of Torm is one of the best classes. Also, Donald has the best build I've ever seen.

and I still hadn't gotten to build my mk/CoT stunner that was still gonna be faster than a pure monk Wink

I'm afraid I don't see the humor in you exploiting the job items that make you go faster than other people who go all the way in a class only to be outdone by an exploit.

However we're pretty limited with no caster/no true dispel ability (ie mords), we don't get to grapple, and we don't get all the advantages that having a spellcasting class gives a faction.

You don't get all the advantages because you're not supposed to. Every faction is supposed to have its disadvantages, some more so than other.

Why take it away when the chips are stacked against us buildwise in the first place?

....I can't find a way to respond to this.

You had DM Speed, how hard is that to understand?

[cRaZy8or5e]

Thank you for the constructive criticism by calling it stupid. Nothing makes a person feel better about their rants than having it called stupid.

First this post had nothing to do with last night but thanks for commenting on that. In response, as explained by you in your taunts, we won because we outnumbered the opposition severely not because we played better and definitely not because of the Def. of the pure. The conflict with [ Johnny do Good ] took place yesterday afternoon not last night if that’s why you are confused. But anyway back to your other comments.

+20% is not DM speed. +20% is not the +50% that the messenger token gives. its only an extra 20% that makes our monks exceedingly fast. Yeah that sucks if your not NC because if they can get in and grab a relic they are nigh unstoppable, we know, hence the reason why I called it our ace in the hole. Calling it DM speed is just "stupid" and insulting on your part cuz you know better.

Having high fort saves is not difficult especially with the right gear, ie Merfolk Celestial, Gal Ralan Bracers, Xeg yi Belt, etc etc etc. CoT is just icing on the cake for us. However you take a CoT and put him up against a well built DD or a PM or a RDD/bard or a Shifter dragon/kobold, I'll put my money on any one of these other classes every day of the week and twice on tuesday.

You say everyone is supposed to have disadvantages and advantages and I wholeheartedly agree. Everyone has advantages and disadvantages. This was one of our big advantages (or exploits as you like to call it). Can't I complain about it being taken away?

The three pure fighters are three players who took the time to build pure fighters. Its a sign of our growing numbers. Pure fighters are a server wide class so I don't see the advantage in having that. MA in my opinion is the most severely restricted faction, but I refuse to believe that they are the least powerful classwise because they get casters and they get PM’s. I don’t care what you say having it so neither our allies nor us can make sorces or wizzes really limits our ability to throw out the damage and dispel people which is oh so important in pvp. Without an ability to dispel people you better be able to kill the enemy casters and kill them quickly or have superior numbers cuz your gonna get a beatdown.

Frice you're talking about everything but the main point of my post and so I posit it again, why take away our speed gambit? How does it unbalance the server. What else does NC have except high saves? Oh ok so some of our toons are unimplodeable but an ability to avoid deathspells is not that big of an advantage. Its only a partial advantage against the damage dealing spells and against mords or IGM's its useless.

I was ok with not having an ability to mord because we could run fast. I know the following statement is silly or "stupid" as you would say Frice, thanks for that. However, it feels like we're getting our last and only real advantage taken away. While everyone is keeping theirs and heck the dwarves are getting a new subrace! (though to be honest I felt you guys needed a subrace and gratz on getting a caster race that can boost both clerics and wizards)

Finally, this was a complaint post, hoping to spark a reasoned explanation about why it needed to be taken away. Not a caustic, insulting, and altogether useless post that used inane justifications like calling +20% "DM speed."

[Amoenotep]

because stacking mutiple levels of haste on yourself when no one else can is an exploit. exploits get fixed....if you would like to discuss further that your upset you can't use an exploit anymore i'm pretty sure a few dm's will have nothing but nice things to say.


please think about what your complaining about when you say "pure monk + 20%"....thats actually about +180% speed increase over a normal chars movement....