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Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:59 am

Just thought it should be out there, since if no one says it it won't be known, but we've found 10 times as many books as we've found time crystals in the past few weeks.

Thats 10 to 1. It may be more on the books, but I'm positive on 10 of them.

Books to Time Crystals.

Books that give perma attribute bonuses.

VS a one use item.

I still have a bunch, but seriously, move them up the drop ladder a little. This is beyond stupid. If pure fighters get unavoidable KD, pure barbs get the stun, anyone can take a knockdown feat, all things that put people out of commission, for free, at will, why can't wizards and sorcs use one of their spells that does the same?

I took epic trans for a reason, theres only 1 trans spell worth using, now thats like 3 wasted feats.

Or at least use it more frequently then 1/10th of the time it takes a book to drop.

At LEAST 10 books between all of us in the past 2 weeks vs. 1 time crystal, no joke. I've muled em, I know. No made up numbers there.

Somethings wrong there.

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:11 am

Yeah as I take a look, the only trans spells I use are Foxs Cunning, Bulls Strength, and Endurance.

3 Transmutation feats I have that dont help those spells do anything else at all.

And above I'm talking about ALL of MD finding the at least 10 books vs 1 time crystal. As we talk about it right now it's definitely more than 10 books, but still one time crystal.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:34 am

no...its rare for a reason

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:01 am

They are more than rare.

Rare are books.

We find more books than time crystals.

Epic transmutation focus has 0 worth now.

Time Stop was changed to how it is for a reason, because in the past it was too powerful. Soon it won't matter because casting Time Stop will happen less than the rate you find a book.

Time Stop isn't even as powerful as mentioned in the change log, because I meet every requirement for the 20% or whatever it is that your part member shouldnt be frozen, and as many times as I've used it that number seems to be more like a 5% chance if that.

Stunning fist, knockdown, pure fighter knockdown tokens, pure barb stuns, even assassin death attack are all things that disable, your opponent cant heal, loses dex bonus, etc. How is Time Stop any different, except that fact that it costs one of your spells per rest, and a crystal?

Not to mention that after someone uses knockdown stunning fist pure fighter bonus barb scream etc. they can keep swinging infinitely, a mage out of spells is toast.

Apparently you nerfed the drop rate because you think TS is too powerful for some reason and you wanna stop the spamming of it. Timestop has no save. Pure fighter token has around a 135 discipline check lol. Pure barb stun saves are outrageous, mid 50's I think and they can be higher depending on the build. Dragon form Knockdowns, anyones knockdowns, no save disabling if they hit ya.

All I'm asking for to be done is reach a medium ground on the crystal drop rate. It was one way, now it's another. It can be changed.

Add them as items boss loot tables, for example if u can have a boss drop a ragnars armor or shield almost everytime, u can do that for a crystal too.

Pick a mob and add them to its table so they drop more off that specific creature. Air Plane creatures in particular I think would be great for this.

Just find the medium ground.

Post by **Malik** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:55 am

Time crystals are not supposed to be farmable, the alteration of time is not supposed to be common.

Edit*

Forgot to add time stop is not a knockdown tool, if a mage has to have a form of KD, they have a wide variety of bigby spells that do wonders.

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:14 am

Fine it's not supposed to be common. Agreed.

Less common than books?

And no it's not an actual knockdown, but it's exactly the same effect. Target loses dex bonus, can't heal or do anything else. Please explain the difference, aside from ours costs a spell slot and an item.

Sure we have other tools, but the complete disabling of a char is something everyone has, now (or after everyone runs out of crystals) it's something mages had.

I get the it's not supposed to be common, but when a pure 40 mage who spent 3 feats to make it work will only be able to use it once for every 10 or more books dropped, thats not common, thats absurd.

If you guys have that much of a problem with the spell itself, change the spell (again) and make it useful for something. That way people who take epic trans won't have wasted the feat (or 3 as it is for epic).

And don't give me the Flesh to Stone crap, spell saves are too high as it is, you can't hit anyone with it who's not on the mountain, and even then it's iffy.

Post by **Malik** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:26 am

Well, in theory the alteration in time IS less common then books. Time stop if different from KD because it has a very large area of effect, there is no save, and can be used many times in comparison to say a pure fighters 3 kd abilities, or a barbarians 1 stun every 3-5 minutes.

Post by **VagaStorm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:27 am

I*m trading time cystals for books

a +2 book will give you 3 time crystals
a +4 book will give you 8 time crystals

How about uping the drop rate in places where it taks a bitt longer to kill things? Killing 100 ogres for a crystal is like 5 wails on the mnt, killing 100 dwarfs is, well, slower :p We dont realy need timestop out of the game, but make em rare enough that it can resonably be used maybe 1-3 times in a battle. Or put a timer on it so it can be used maybe once or twice pr rest. Or like pots, full efect first time, half second, then slowyl have litle or no effect?

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:28 am

Here ya go, have Bink code it for one use/rest, no crystal needed.

Or diminishing returns, but slightly better crystal drop rates.

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:37 am

I'm calling BS on the "alteration is less common than books" thing too.

People here shapechange into Dragons. And can carry 5000+ lbs. And can hide in plain sight.

Those seem to be a lot more common than books.

If DnD was taken that seriously thered be no magic at all.

But thats a whole 'nother topic.

Post by **Malik** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:42 am

Please keep your posts productive so that we may see this thread as true suggestions.

Ebenezer Grymm · Post by **Ebenezer Grymm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:56 am

I don't know how much more productive it can be, theres only a few clear solutions.

Increase the crystal drop rate (but not back to what it was).

Change the spell entirely to something useful that doesn't consume crystals.

Keep the spell function as is but put a timer on it for casts/day or diminishing returns.

Any one of the 3 is fine, as long as they all involve making the trans focus feats worthy again.

Hunny-bunny · Post by **Hunny-bunny** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:13 am

probably not a good idea to tell the Gods how to do their job.

Post by **VagaStorm** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:45 am

No wories, eb is a pm, he alredy got the nerfstik sufed up where the sun never shines :p

Post by **Zing** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:13 am

All I hear is please make books rarer.

*shrugs*

OK.

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