Invis Purge vs Darkness.

Mental · Post by **Mental** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:30 am

Hmmm, how is it that my char that has darkness from the tiefling ability can dissapear from invis purge.

Aarkon Draco · Post by **Aarkon Draco** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:18 am

the darkness gives a consealment bonus the spell invis purge removes any such consealment in the area this includes ghostly and etheiral vissage spells. i dont think darkness was supposed to be effected but it is. also if your invisible in darkness and that invisibilty is ended via spell or action you are fully visible despite the darkness still being active.

Post by **LinuxPup** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:29 pm

Pure Invis doesn't work vs. concealment (spell) though.

Blystos Re · Post by **Blystos Re** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:44 pm

Heh...good to know...

Post by **Binkyuk** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:51 pm

Happens with standard Darkness too. It's because 'hidden in darkness' and 'invisibility' are both tracked as invisibility effects.

Mental · Post by **Mental** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:20 am

ok then, when someones uses invis purge, what kinda dc or roll is this based on.

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:32 am

SR, spell mantle, or it works

Mental · Post by **Mental** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:33 am

well, there were times invis purge didnt work on my darkness tho. and I did nothing different, its like it does it at times.

Oh and I almost forgot, Mordes takes away darkness as well, so if this happens then it makes an ecl2 or 3 char a bit more usless cause mordes, invis purge and sometimes disspell does it. Is this really suppose to happen?

Post by **Binkyuk** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:04 pm

yes, dispels do work on racial darkness and yes it's supposed to be that way. It's handy stuff but it's not supposed to be *that* powerful.

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:18 pm

what's REALLY hilarious is when you dispell someone with darkness and it strips their UV but not their darkness ;P. Pretty funny when someone thinks they'll jump you in a nexus with that only to be beaten down by their own self inflicted blindness!!11!!!1! (yes i've done that to people on more than one occasion with many roflols).

Mental · Post by **Mental** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:37 pm

well gettin ultra disspelled makes sense, but gettin darkness doesnt. Just makes those sub races not worth lvling as much.

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:16 pm

Mental wrote:well gettin ultra disspelled makes sense, but gettin darkness doesnt. Just makes those sub races not worth lvling as much.

to my understanding that type of darkness is still magical? i think it makes sense that a magical ability can be dispelled by magical means like Mords. if it is supposed to be completely natural, then i think the only way to dispel it would be a Light spell. but honestly, i think you would be happier with someone wasting a lvl 9 spell to get rid of a free ability of yours than a cantrip

Post by **Binkyuk** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:14 am

It's defeatable by the level 1-2 spell Ultravision, so i don't see it as a big issue that it can also be defeated by a level 9 spell.
Also its dispel DC is (supposed to be) based on your character level, so it's really not easy to get rid of - even a pure caster your level only has a 50% chance without abj focus.

I've very rarely had my darkness dispelled by a monster because the dispel ai is easily worked around, and it was never very effective in pvp anyway because any player can defeat it with the appropriate helm.

PeregrineV · Post by **PeregrineV** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:29 pm

Speaking of Dispel & Ultravision against darkeness, how is it supposed to work?

With ultravision up, I go into the darkness, and still can't see. As a result, I can't target with a light spell or with a Dispel Magic.

If I'm outside the darkness, then I can't target the character with either spell. And, it doesn't seem to let me target the area. The tiems it does, the spell goes off but nothing happens (by that I mean no DC checks are displayed in my log).

Any hints?

Thanks!

Aarkon Draco · Post by **Aarkon Draco** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:02 pm

if your toon is aasimar you will never be able to see in the darkness. your best bet in that instance is to cast the dispell as close to the edge of the darkness as you can. or not use aasimar race tho the negating effect of aasimar light should negate the penaltys of the darkness IMO.