Roguish character forfeiting own faction still able to raid?

[Kirg]

Good is sacrficial lambs, it is a lot easier to RP a evil aligned character they are more flexible then good aligned characters.

I agree with that! It looks like we have a good debate going on two different forums. I look forward to facing/allying with you on NS4.

Okay, no more hijacking of your thread!

So does any think its wrong to hire a rogue toon to raid a relic as long as it wasn't his former faction? Or is it wrong to hire a toon from another faction to raid another's relic?

Start a poll, if you want to have a demographic answer . I think the original question has been answered anyway, as noone wants to give a definitive answer and you may act at your own risk. Actually a very mature answer.

As for good and evil: The gods may frown upon a good aligned character to ally herself with a lesser to vanquish the bigger evil. But it still happens. I don't think you are more restricted playing a good character, it is just not so cool for most players. As being good is already something they have to be in RL, playing evil is just so much alluring...

I never understood what the alignment is about anyway. Not many RPGs have such a restricting system.
Every person has good chaotic evil and lawful shades. Nobody is only lawful good ie.

[Merrip]

I never understood what the alignment is about anyway. Not many RPGs have such a restricting system.
Every person has good chaotic evil and lawful shades. Nobody is only lawful good ie.

Not on here ... hence my comment that NS4 is not RP ...

Lawfull Good is Lawfull Good, if you know what you are doing and all the history behind it you can role play it, if you have no idea, then you will just do what you like regardless of Alignment.

And yes Good are Sacrificial Lambs if you take a look at history and the text about certain deities in D&D.

[Kirg]

History (unless you only refer to the history of the FG gods, in that case, disregard this section)? Even Ghandi wasn't only good or for another example Teresa of Calcutta. If you want to see them as sacrificial lambs, up to you. I don't.
I understand that D&D had to simplify things. But even then, many RPGs (and I'm talking about PnP of course) don't deliver such narrowed margins. If you choose to play by such parameters, it's ok by me. I wouldn't and don't.
The important thing of course is the history and motivation of the character. For those who don't want to imagine one, the alignment is a good gauge.



PS. btw. "you" isn't refering to the former poster, but just a general "you" .
As I understand it, he agrees with me.

[Merrip]

Well considering he quoted that part about Sacrificial Lambs followed by "I agree with that!" I think he agreed with me

[Kirg]

Heh, the "former poster", is you, Merrip, of course. Although "the poster above" would have been better.
Thus you don't agree with me, never mind.
I still don't see what being good has to do with being a sacrificial lamb. Well it is certainly a definition problem. Good isn't for me only the ethic or morale utopic image of Jesus Christ (a legend anyway). Hightened by the example to also put the other cheek after being hit for the first time. That is just a bit stupid imo.
Martyrdom on the other hand has done a lot of propaganda for the christians. I don't think this religion would have grown so fast and so big in the beginning. But were those cases of sacrificial lambs? Probably. And were those sacrificed persons "good" too?

Heh, maybe a moderator places this thread into OFF TOPIC now that we have begun a philosophical discussion. Otoh, the spammers would eat it alive in a heartbeat .

[Merrip]

This is not OOC, this is a discussion about Role Play of a certain Alignment which is very IC.

[Lorkar1]

Well Lorkar, the answer to your questions is said action is frowned upon. So procede at your own risk.

I gain no benefit XPwise or jobwise from LA, so yes I will do as I will.
I am a fighter and since there doesnt seem to be much fighting going on LA's behalf I fight for those that pay me. And for now that is IO.
When someone comes along with a better offer then I might reconsider my position.
Playing a Neutral Evil individual to me means doing as I see fit to benefit me. I truly have no desire to carry a relic for I am no pack mule.
But I will clear a path for others to walk.
And to say that it is frowned upon is a copout. Because if it isn't against the rules then it is within the rules, that is the law of implied consent.
There are no gray areas as far as the rules are concerned. There is only black and white. Etiquette on the other hand is a whole different story to be discussed elsewhere.

[Coral]

all this talk about alignments and RP is amusing considering the topic. primarily, the peope who raid for relics are powergamers... and there is no shred of RP involved. it is about getting relics for a bonus in experience. i do this as well so don't think i am criticizing them. NS4 has the making for a great RP server, but it isn't. you can't really RP on a server where the majority are not RPin'. and alignment in D&D isn't a restricted as you make out. it is just a basic overview of your character's stance. every character has off days and mood fluctuactions.

for the sake of the topic, i don't see any realistic reason to try to justify a PM raiding for anybody but MA or SL. if this were an RP server then yes it would make sense if the PM had some motivation to do so. but it isn't an RP server no matter how much you try to talk like you have an accent. if it were an RP server i don't think you'd see so many enemies partying up to go hunting.

[Lorkar1]

I for one would love to see NS4 as a roleplay server.
I had found a really good RP server back when prime had the lag issues before reflections was live.
Only problem was that the DM's would kill you once you reached a certain level which happened 3-4 times to me.
And when the respawn penalty is 30% of your XP that becomes tiresome very quickly.
Other servers had RP but I wasn't thrilled with the notion of thirst, starvation and resting once every 24 hours. I guess I like RP a little more laid back where I can focus on the RP and not the mechanics.

[TheStoneOne]

lol once again this crazyness.

how do we get into situations like this one DM sparky says its frowned upon. by who u sparky ? all dm's ??? make a rule already if its that big a deal to you all and you get so upset you must needs to frown

otherwise this garbage situation where we used to have LA toons helping SL, MA helping AO and NO one helping the circle crop up again and again and again

state it simply its allowed or its not. Frowned upon is not a definitive answer.

P.S. i dont care either way till its made 100% clear i take that as if there is no one to frown on you around do what ya want. and therefore wont get upset every second day when i see this happen

tooodaloo

[DM Vapor]

Frowned upon is simply that - some DM's make take offense to it, some may think it's part of the game. It's the DM's discretion as to if they want to act or not. So, don't be surprised if you succeed one time, and get slapped around the next.

[Mentarch]

I for one would love to see NS4 as a roleplay server.
I had found a really good RP server back when prime had the lag issues before reflections was live.
Only problem was that the DM's would kill you once you reached a certain level which happened 3-4 times to me.
And when the respawn penalty is 30% of your XP that becomes tiresome very quickly.
Other servers had RP but I wasn't thrilled with the notion of thirst, starvation and resting once every 24 hours. I guess I like RP a little more laid back where I can focus on the RP and not the mechanics.

As it has often been said before - roleplaying on NS4 is encouraged, not enforced.

[Lorkar1]

It is really tough to do it when others are not, makes it hard to get into the spirit of things.

[cely]

Aye, which is why DW is a casual RP guild. Most people we've run into reciprocate. But the key of course is that you have to initiate it. Even if they don't reciprocate, I keep on RPing because it's something that I enjoy.

What's the point of playing if it's just a constant rush to level 40? Slow down a bit and enjoy the ride. You might find yourself involved in some personal 1 on 1 DM events

[Coral]

A NS4 RP server would be fun, but it would need to be a seperate server where RP is required... ie we'd need somebody with a system to do it. plus it would take a whole new set of DM's cause RP DMing is very hands on and is a completely different task than NS3 or 4. plus things like disabling shout would be necessary... so it seems unrealistic at this point. unless reflections becomes RP but i don't see that happening.