Time Stop

[Lorkar1]

How about removing the crystal requirement for the caster since they would be the conduit and leave the req' for scroll users as they would need a conduit since they are not versed in magic. And make scrolls one round only.
Quick question...does timestop drop those affected by it out of combat?

[Blystos Re]

How about removing the crystal requirement for the caster since they would be the conduit and leave the req' for scroll users as they would need a conduit since they are not versed in magic. And make scrolls one round only.

Nice. Very good idea. (And to think, this is coming from a faction whose only option for time-stop is scrolls! ).

Hmmm... Really not to hard to tell who has become reliant on this little "I win" button from reading this thread. I'd have to say that I'd like to see it as a caster-only spell, time crystals only a requirement for a scroll-user, and perhaps a chance of something bad happening to the caster/user a small percentage of the time. I mean, you're *%*$ing with time, people...I feel there should be some kind of downside.

...And hey, if you decide not to change it, that works for me. I have some up-and-coming bards in my ranks that are just waiting to use the scrolls I've been stockpiling since the wipe.

[JesterOI]

Time Stop does clear combat qeues.

It can also eat spells being cast if catching the opposing caster at the exact right moment.

No other class needs any expendable to use their abilities, mages shouldn't either.

Time Stop scrolls can be eliminated as a drop or can be set to use a different version of TS that is more limited than the actual mage spell.

[Lorkar1]

Time Stop does clear combat qeues.

WOOT!! Now to build the timestopping assassin.

[-BannyD-]

I mean, you're *%*$ing with time, people...I feel there should be some kind of downside.

you are not, you are super-charging your own speed for a short while to give the effect of 'stopping time'...think of the Freiza DBZ series. One of the first battles was against this pig looking guy who could hold his breathe to 'stop time' when he was really just increasing his own speed dramatically. I believe it was Krillon (sp?) and Gohan vs. him...eventually his 'time stop' spamming wasnt enough

The only bad thing I could consider happening is a slow applied to the caster for a round or two due to exhaustion, the chances of which could be reduced with focus feats. This slow should also apply to anyone affected by the 'speed boost', without having the benefit of focus feats reducing the chance. Perhaps while the slow is active, the target cannot be affected by another 'speed boost' and is frozen if another friendly time stop is used before that slow is removed, this would include the caster. So for the duration of time stop you can provide your team with a superhaste but when it wears off, they have a chance of being left drained and performing slower than usual.

[disastro]

you are not, you are super-charging your own speed for a short while to give the effect of 'stopping time'...think of the Freiza DBZ series.

i guess if you believe in relativity there is no difference between stopping time and boosting your own speed another interesting thing to do might be to make scroll time stop smack everyone except caster with a no-save slow for the duration (crystal required). real mages get full caster only time stop (no crystal), and maybe pure mages get the current team time stop after some level. all get a minor only-once-every-5-minutes style restriction.

[Blystos Re]

The only bad thing I could consider happening is a slow applied to the caster for a round or two due to exhaustion, the chances of which could be reduced with focus feats. This slow should also apply to anyone affected by the 'speed boost', without having the benefit of focus feats reducing the chance.

Oooooo...another good one! That actually makes sense.

There was an X-Files episode where these 3 kids got into some kind of time-distortion pool and they could essentially fire off a timestop as a side effect. The problem ended up being that, since they were never meant to move that fast, their bodies started to break down.

The slow makes a lot of sense as a side effect. Depending on the percentage of happenings, that would make it well-balanced even for a team-based timestop. There should be side effects, especially for a caster who's not focused. That's like me picking up a bazooka and trying to use it - I might get it right if I'm lucky, but it's a dangerous tool to use without training.

[JesterOI]

Keep it simple.

Time Stop
AoE: Affect caster only (Not party friendly)
Duration: 9sec.
+6sec with Epic Focus Transmutation AND atleast 25 levels of Wiz/Sorc
+6sec with Pure Class Wiz/Sorc @ lvl 30+
Max 21sec (3.5 rounds)

No Time Crystal requirements.

[LunarSquirrel]

Everyone start making battlemages quick if that one goes in.

/snicker

[kgb]

How about we keep the spell and components as is but introduce a stun effect on the caster.

Given that they are trying to affect the space around them it may come back to bite them. Something like 20% chance of stun with a reduction of 5% for each spell foci thus reducing the effect to 5% with Epic Spell Foci

The stun effect could last the duration of the spell so 3 rounds is it?

[P. Fricebottle]

That doesn't solve much at all kgb for multiple reasons.

1.) Most people using Time Stop have Epic Spell Focus Transmutation for the express purpose of Time Stop. Therefore, thats a whopping 5% of failure. And even those without focus will have an 80% success rate, which is pretty darn high for no fouc.

2.) All of the teammates will be un-affected by this stun, and they're the stem of the the problem. While the mage is stopping time, its his partners that are bashing the frozen enemies.

[kgb]

Apologies there Frice I was assuming TS spell was as intended (caster only) thus everyone including friendlies are affected by the timestop.

I actually thought casters would be reluctant to focus in transmutation given the other benefits in conjuration (summons), evocation (dam output) and necromancy (wail etc). Guess I was wrong

I think 20% is pretty high for a non-focus - it is when i ever play a spellcaster trying to cast in armour

[Squikker2001]

I mean, you're *%*$ing with time, people...I feel there should be some kind of downside.

you are not, you are super-charging your own speed for a short while to give the effect of 'stopping time'

That made me remember this...

[Celorn]

what about.... keep everything the same, EXCEPT: each member of the TS caster's party (in the zone) must also expend a time crystal, if they have none on them, then they freeze just like the enemy/others...

. o O ( A possible addition would be to extend this to anyone else in the zone, if they have a TC on them, then they have a ?10% chance of NOT being effected by the TS (but lose the crystal if they remain unstopped), if they have focus in transmute, that % could be bumped up a bit. )

And then what about SR? and Spell mantles? should those things be incorporated into the mix for TS immunity?

[JesterOI]

Once again. Keep it simple.

Keep it simple.

Time Stop
AoE: Affect caster only (Not party friendly)
Duration: 9sec.
+6sec with Epic Focus Transmutation AND atleast 25 levels of Wiz/Sorc
+6sec with Pure Class Wiz/Sorc @ lvl 30+
Max 21sec (3.5 rounds)

No Time Crystal requirements.