Pallys and black devils

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:55 pm

just wonder, short and sweet, anyone forsee pallys getting summons the equivlent of a black guards black devil?

just a thought since other than that they have alot of similar abliltys just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Post by **Sparky** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:03 pm

Sorry, its not going to happen.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:09 pm

What, having extra immunities and some really good spells doesn't make up for a summon?

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:53 am

maybe it does, i havent played a black guard... yet

was just wondering the differences is all, and if the paly needed one

Post by **Binkyuk** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:32 am

paladins have spellcasting, which while not world shaking is really not bad. Quality weapon enchantments, Freedom, Death Ward, Bulls and charisma boosters unavailable to any other class are the highlights. Add to that the improved Divine Might that only they get and they're really not doing badly.
OTOH BGs get rather weak Sneaks and Contagion. wooh. so no, pally's don't need a BG summon equivelant.

Alkapwn · Post by **Alkapwn** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:45 am

Yeah by no means at all is BG even come close to the power of Pallys. Mind you he does get the best Summons and Divine powers , Smite but thats it. Add in having to multi class ? No where near the advantages of Paladins

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:55 am

aye, thanks for the freedback. Just been trying to take on multi class BG's with a pure paladin build. Dont think i am quite there yet on build strength.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:01 pm

I would think a Smiting build combined with your Holy Avenger spell would cause instant death if it connected on a critical.

Why go pure Pally? Paladin/COT gives you more feats.

watchwood · Post by **watchwood** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:36 pm

More smite charges, better turning (if you actually use it), longer lasting spells that are harder to disspell in PvP, and the mythical pure class bonuses.

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:48 pm

Cheese! I am in a pure build mode. I know it doesnt really make sense for pvp, but that is a small fraction of my gameplay. I mostly do pvm.

So i have a pure monk a pure cleric a pure paladin and a pure barb going right now. thinking about a pure bard next.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:06 pm

CoT is added to pally for smiting purposes.
surely no one in the world uses turning. it only works reliably on mobs of lower level than you, and most PCs fight creatures at least 1 or 2 levels higher than them, and much higher than that in a party.

when you add in paladin epic bonus feats, taking 10 levels of CoT actually only gives you an extra 2 feats by level 40. with divine wrath generally a bust this means you sacrifice coming pure class benefits (unless they're allowed with CoT, which might be the case given what was done with Divine Might), dispel resist and buff duration for 2 feats and +5 to saves (which will already be pretty awesome). not such a great bargain really.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:23 pm

wow..divine wrath a bust? mine does like +20 divine damage....that doesn't sound like a bust to me.

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:19 pm

aye mine does the same

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:59 pm

Turn Undead looks like it could be fairly useful... maybe...

Any thoughts on having Death Domain provide a bonus for Turn Undead as well?

http://www.nsrealm.com/ns4wiki/index.php/Turn_Undead

sldsmkd · Post by **sldsmkd** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:07 am

Amoenotep wrote:wow..divine wrath a bust? mine does like +20 divine damage....that doesn't sound like a bust to me.

It's duration is too short and is only useable once per rest. But it does add a lot more than additional damage