Druid shapeshifters and Stat Books

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:54 am

Question --

I think i have almost awnsered this question for myself, but im still not sure causae my notes are sketchy...and the one individual who would most likley know hasnt been around for a few days

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Do books (Str/Con/Dex) effect a shapeshift form ? i know that Int and Wis do because the shapeshift does not govern those stats. (and i used one)...but im not sure on the others....i would like to know so i dont burn a book

ty for the feedback..
and ty to Lathander who lent a hand to me this evening

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o and please keep the hypothetical situations ;nerf whines, cheese and crackers ; and all other random jargon off of this thread...i believe one f our glorious devs can awnser this just fine.... ty.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:05 am

It depends on the form... Dragon overrides STR/DEX/CON. Minotaur overrides STR and maybe Con (don't recall) but uses your base Dex (which is affected by books).... etc.

There's a good Shifter faq on http://www.gamefaqs.com that lists what Shapes affect what stats.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:09 am

If you want to test it then use a con book. Higher con in your humanoid shape will still make deshifting and shifting less painful.

(he's LA so it can only be a dragon he's using...)

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:29 am

(he's LA so it can only be a dragon he's using...)

Elemental and animal shapes are also available to druids.

Post by **Metis** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:24 am

That’s correct most of the forms override multiple stats, so regardless of using a book or not the state is set. This was a big reason for the big boost all around stats, ab, and ac. We also modified it so all your items will merge, except gloves, so dex boots etc will apply to the form once the shift is complete.

An interesting discovery I made (maybe everyone knew this already) benefits from armor, resist/immune apply as well as regen properties but skill bonuses do not, the same seems to be from rings, their regen will show but a disc bonus wont show, at least on the character sheet.

It needs some further testing to see if this is one of those situations where the bonuses are being applied but just not being reflected on the sheet.

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:41 am

ty for the clarification, metis

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:42 pm

To Metis:

skill bonuses ARE applied, however, only the largest bonuses is taken, including those bonuses recieved for your form.

for example, if you were to wear a ring of shadows which gives +4 hide, +4 move silently as a kobold you would not see any bonus because kobold form gives +10 to each of those stats.

If you were to wear a helmet with +7 to concentration, you would recieve a +7 bonus to concentration, even while shifted because the kobold form does not have any bonuses to that skill.

simply, the bonuses applied for being in a form are treated the same as bonuses from items.

watchwood · Post by **watchwood** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:02 pm

Why did you not include gloves in the list of merged stats?

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:06 pm

I believe it was because they could not be merged without a hak.

This was because none of the forms ever merged gloves.

This is why many forms got an extra bonus to strength.

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:22 pm

----and with druids who have Bulls and Aura of vit -- u can roll your str up to more than compensate for the missing gloves str.

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:50 pm

Unless I am mistaken merging gloves does not require a hak. 3.5's dragon shape merges the gloves, if I am not mistaken. I had spoken to a couple of players a while back when they were going after bulletproof monk gloves for their Shifter and I seem to remember them saying it stacked.

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:06 pm

i used a con book with mine and it DID make the over all HP better .....

so now im confused

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:43 pm

Kromix wrote:i used a con book with mine and it DID make the over all HP better .....

so now im confused

so am i

these things arent supposed to happen! but maybe our shifter experts in TC can figure out what base HP has to do with HP in a form that has a set CON...

and...you sure you didnt level? or have some sort of con buff or bard song?

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:50 pm

I can say with 99.8% certainty that using a book will not affect your hp in a form with an adjusted constitution score.

As BannyD mentioned there are several ways Kromix couldve misread the hp...

the difference between having full hp
and full hp + temp hp

for example.

MLoki · Post by **MLoki** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:16 pm

I had the same question awhile back since I was considering a RDD druid build and wasn't sure if the RDD stats would shift or not. I guess I will have to experiment more.

MLoki