DC for spells

Daedalus · Post by **Daedalus** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:53 am

Someone told me that the DC calculations for spells have been changed here... That it was based on caster lvl rather than the stat modifier (charisma etc). Is this true? I may have just muddled my self up but could someone give me how DC for spells is worked out?

Thnx

Gumppy · Post by **Gumppy** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:40 am

dc is 10 + spell lvl + ab modifier (int, wis, cha depends on class) + your spell focus so +6 for epic

so a lvl 9 wiz spell cast by a mage with 40 int and epic spell focus is

10+9+15+6 = 40 dc

solates · Post by **solates** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:39 am

so spellcraft is basicly useless except for learning new spells(if your a wizard) or counterspelling?

reminds himself to ignore spellcraft.

Solates

Falazure- · Post by **Falazure-** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:03 am

spellcraft is also needed for auto quicken feats and other mage epic feats n spells,mite want to get some at least

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Post by **Flailer** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:26 am

And, lets not forget - you get +1 save vs spells for every 5 points in spellcraft.

+8 saves + gear + int bonuses can let you rack up some pretty huge saves at higher levels.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:01 am

I thought the saves from SC were only for actual skill points, not adjusted... like the AC from Tumble is.

Post by **Metis** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:32 am

Actually yes, you get +1 save (spellcraft) and +1 ac (tumble) for every 5 ranks so items do not help in that aspect.

/ edit total spellcraft points do count towards people who use counter-spell imo one of the best unused abilities (mainly in a group)

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:38 am

Then Spellcraft gear is pretty useless now.

Nemesis Revised · Post by **Nemesis Revised** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:20 am

actually, yeh its pretty useless

mages should just get items such as discipline rings instead

Blystos Re · Post by **Blystos Re** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:52 am

When a mage has zero discipline to start with, a +3 ring will not do them much good against a raging barbarian or high-level monk.

Hard to cast from the ground.

I find that having a high spellcraft together with some SR gear can come in quite handy against some spells. Watching a spell go "boink" when it targets you is fun. Then again, maybe I am thinking more along the lines of a PvM scenario...

To each their own. If you don't want your high SC rings you can always give me one. :lol:

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:33 pm

counterspell is one of the most awesome things to use in pvp...nobody thinks about it until you do it to them...hehe

Post by **Binkyuk** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:02 pm

Metis wrote:/ edit total spellcraft points do count towards people who use counter-spell imo one of the best unused abilities (mainly in a group)

can anyone tell me the mechanics of counterspelling? i've tried for ages to figure this stuff out, but to no avail, not even a google search helped and experiments have left me baffled. can a lesser dispel counter any spell or do you need (greater) dispels after a certain spell level? will you always counterspell any spell you identify or is there a further check? if so what is it?

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:17 pm

spellcraft ranks id the spell being cast..the more you have the more you know.

mords counters everything, breaches counter spells of lower lvls, dispells also counter...basically you choose a mage and use the right rotating menu to select counterspell then ur guy just stands there.

Alain · Post by **Alain** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:48 pm

http://www.nwnwiki.org/Counterspell

Core · Post by **Core** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:55 pm

Actually spellcraft items do help save throws unlike tumble AC. You have to have at least 1 point in spellcraft tho before items will effect it, if you have 0 spellcraft it doesn't do anything.