Favored class bonus

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:18 pm

ok the other day I was leveling with kromix sirus lework and a few others.

I'm a druid/monk/sd and I an a strongheart halfling.

so first off I know I don't get favored xp.

but as we leveled I realized that I was not getting ex equal to everyone else.

sirus started out lower level than me and kromix was about 2k xp ahead.

at the end of our run sirus was even level a little ahead actually and kromix was 2 levels ahead.

I thought of all the possible scenarios. I'm not ecl. I didn't die to loose xp. I was allway around the action and close enough to get xp.

so then I figured that sirus was lower and that's y he leveled faster but I couldn't figure how kromix got so far ahead.

also I asked lework who was the same level I was how much xp he was getting and even with relic bonous on my side he ws still getting 40 - 65 more than me a kill.

so my question is how does this happen. is favored class giving more xp per kill now? is my multiclassing hindering my xp? does stroongheart halfling have a ecl now?

anyways thanks in advance for answers

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:32 pm

If'n I recall correctly, a Bioware patch broke the "multiclassing doesn't affect kill XP any more" feature of NS4.

Alain · Post by **Alain** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:35 pm

hes correct, look at the halfling page on the wiki and it will tell you that all halflings use rogue as their favored class for multiclass penalties. the same goes for all subraces; they all use their base races favored class for multiclassing penalties.

Post by **Lokey** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:51 pm

It seems supremely stupid that bioware would hardcode something like this into the GiveXPToCreature function (which is what's used). I guess SetXP would be a better option, but that could get ugly if the server doesn't perform flawlessly 24/7...which it won't when it's packed solid 24/7. See my signature...

Ok, I'll edit up some 2das and see if we can get rid of that engine weirdness.

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:18 pm

so to make sure I understand the reason I am getting jipped xp is cause of the favored class bonous for each kill?

srry I am just trying to figure this out

Post by **Binkyuk** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:06 pm

it'd be annoying but as a workaround could you calculate the penalty they endure and give them proportionally more. expensive every time you give XP i know, but if you cache it in a value stored on the player it could be made quicker.
i guess this probably occurred to you already though.

kgb · Post by **kgb** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:08 pm

You will lose xp because as you have found out halflings favoured class is rogue and since neither of the three classes you have taken are rogue you will be penalised.

Same goes for Drow Clerics whose favoured class is still wizard and so on for all other races who have had changes in NS4 to their favoured classes.

Whilst taking a prestige class does help in the multiclass stakes because it is ignored your best bet if going that path is to take the original favoured class of that race along with the favoured class in NS4 for that race to minimise penalties.

For example if I choose a Strongheart Halfling with favoured class fighter and I wanted to play a fighter/wizard/assassin I would be better served to play a fighter/rogue/assassin thus eliminating penalties and still receive favoured class bonus for fighter under NS4.

MLoki · Post by **MLoki** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:25 pm

Yeah I found this out the hard way as well.. After several levels of loosing out on xp I finally did some of the math involved and as much as I was loosing xp I could not go back and fix it because I only had 3 levels of Monk to my 21 levels of Druid. Even though my preferred class was Druid for my subrace, elves preferred class was Wizard. So I would get bonus xp when I leveled but lose out on xp the rest of the time.

this may help explain some more about it and show some of the XP differences as well;

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewtopic.php?t=4446

Don't mind the random posts about ECL ect.. Wild Elf does not have an ECL.

MLoki

Post by **Flailer** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:32 pm

Lokey changed some of the bioware files to try and see if that would solve the problem - are people still getting XP penalties for multi-classing outside their Bioware favored classes?

MLoki · Post by **MLoki** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:51 pm

Yeah I noticed once already when I got one class ahead of the other with a Wood Elf Ranger.

MLoki

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:55 pm

Hmm, the game of D&D which NWN is based off of has an xp multi class penelty. Its there to deter people from building cheese. I see no reason it shouldnt be in the game, if you want to build a multi class character then make sure your class's are all in a line. if you want a 40th lvl fighter/cleric/wm you need to take 13/13/14. alternating 1 lvl 1 lvl 1 lvl.

that is how you avoid the penelty. its in D&D AD&D 3.5 and now 4.0.

its part of the game, unless i am missing something it should be this way.

MLoki · Post by **MLoki** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:57 pm

mgrjebbo wrote:Hmm, the game of D&D which NWN is based off of has an xp multi class penelty. Its there to deter people from building cheese. I see no reason it shouldnt be in the game, if you want to build a multi class character then make sure your class's are all in a line. if you want a 40th lvl fighter/cleric/wm you need to take 13/13/14. alternating 1 lvl 1 lvl 1 lvl.

that is how you avoid the penelty. its in D&D AD&D 3.5 and now 4.0.

its part of the game, unless i am missing something it should be this way.

I agree with what you are saying because I am a PnP gamer and always have been. In NS4 however they decided to give bonuses for taking your prefered classes instead of giving penalties for not multiclassing properly. So, yes if you keep you levels within 1 level of each other there isn't a penalty but that's not the way the Developers of NS4 originally intended it. Even if the multiclass penalties are to remain the problem then is that the preferred classes aren't working correctly for subraces as shown in my example in the link and the more recent Wood Elf with preferred class Ranger still getting xp penalties.

MLoki

Post by **Binkyuk** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:04 pm

lots of people have said that the 3.5 rules multiclass penalties aren't great. you're allowed to cheese build a human, but not an elf? how does that work?

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:23 pm

we are apparently talking about 2 different things here, 1 is the multiclass penelty. the other is the favored class bonus.

to respond to your comment though, no the human bonus only applys to your first extra class taken, just like a favored class. you wouldnt get a penelty for taking say fighter/cleric at differnt level ranges but you would if you had 5/fighter 10/cleric 1/other. if it was just the fighter/cleric it wouldnt make a difference if it was 39/fighter 1/cleric or 20/fighter 20/cleric. that is what a favored class bonus is by the rule book, the ability to multiclass with different level intervals as long as 1 of the 2 class's is favored for that race.

edit: if you cheese it out by taking 3 differnt class's then you get hit by the xp penelty unless they are 1/1/1 ect.

Post by **Lokey** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:27 pm

So any word on whether this is fixed or not?