SR

[JesterOI]

the SR is ungodly; at lvl 40 you have 45 SR. a pure mage at lvl 40 without penetration feats get 40 +1d20 to beat it, which means that a pure sorcerer has a 1 in 4 chance of beating it. excuse me but this is a very big advantage for any build.

Here's a couple pages explaining how the roll for SR works:
http://www.behemoth3.com/sword/ctypes/Spell_Resistance.php
http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/magic_overview/SPELL_RESISTANCE.html

Drow SR at level 40 is 45.
Pure class 40 caster gets 1d20+40 to beat SR.

1d20+40 vs DC45 is a 75% success chance for the casters spell to hit. Think you got your numbers backwards.

Any self-respecting caster will take Spell Penetration Feats.
Don't even need Epic Spell Penetration, let's take Greater Spell Penetration (+4) for example...
1d20+40+4 (45 minimum) vs DC45 = 100% success chance for caster's spell to hit. (unless there is autofail on 1)

5+lvl is a joke.

[lordvan52681]

no its not.

first off not every caster can afford to spend feats on penetration.

second off, this is all assuming pure classes, and how many of those do we see around this server?

and lastly, they have to spend feats to do that. I was talking no penetration feats because a drow/svirf doesnt have to spend any feats to get their 45 SR.

I will give you the one point though: you caught my typo. thnx

[Joran]

Maybe Drow should only be affected by a spell that blinds them, etc, if it beats their SR? Would that help?

[Kromix]

well as posted b4 light isnt a spell... fireball is a spell that causes light, SR will protect the treget from the damage but not from the light emited by it...


and if a drow subrace reaches 40, they are considered pure drow...

now, i'm all for the following:

bump up the Drow SR modifier only if they can make the drow SR only act on the first selected class.. eg

base = 10+lvl
1st lvl rogue

build= 15 rogue / 18 ftr / 7 wm
then the actual SR would be 10+15=25 drow SR because of the 15 rogue LVLs

now if its 40 rogue build

then SR would be 10+40+50 SR


recap: only count the 1st lvl class for the drow bonus, same with snivs...

[JesterOI]

You meant 10+40=50 right?

Of course you did!


And they can do that. Getlevel commands and all that.
They can pick any of the PC's levels and base it off of that.

[Silver Lady]

a pure cleric drow with a spell SR - 52 SR but you can dispell it

[Cluster]

I think its good how it is. Lordvan may be right, not all casters can afford to get spell pen feats, but then its their choice to sacrifice the penetration strength of their spells for some other benefit. And on the same hand as pen feats, if you choose to be a lower level caster, say mid-20s, then yes, your spells should be resisted more often. Since your not that strong of a caster.


Right now all a caster needs is 5 caster levels above any toons level to have 100% hit chance on his spells.

[Falazure-]

I think its cool,the blindness and ability decrease and such,but the movement speed decrease doesnt make much sense,i get blinded from word of faith and other spells and all it does is blind me.Drow should also get some underdark only armor or some kind of boost in the underground over the surface races.

[Kromix]

i would still base it from the primary class to prevent cheese...

[Death Dealer1]

how does your race effect the SR of the class you take? thats like saying because i'm white i can't be a wiz...cuz i'll be good at it.

[Kromix]

noooooooo

its comparing it to lets say a cleric, lvls cleric determines the SR spell.. not the total lvls...

[Death Dealer1]

and thats still saying what you do effects who you are....why should a class have anythin to do with the racial stats you have? lets just give elves the +2 dex if they are rangers/rouges or humans that extra skill point when they are a fighter...does that make much sense?