Cleric Build

Charon_ns3 · Post by **Charon_ns3** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:45 pm

I noticed there was a discussion about shield vs. no-shield. Keep in mind that the NS Cleric armor (with all it's lovely extra spell-slots) is heavy plate...if you want to go that route...

Glaran_ns3 · Post by **Glaran_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:43 am

ok rocco, i like the help you give people on the forums, but do you have to be so sarcastic? i see you ask him if he has "even made a character into epic levels" and if you read he said he has a level 37 wizard.

anyways, onto the cleric build-
i have made both caster and melee cleric builds, but not recently on NS3.5. However, i have found from prior experience and reading the boards that it would be better to drop 2 of your Great Wisdom feats, and get zen archery and something else, and also to use robes (0 armor) with monk levels for the best AC. I hope you can save your cleric, as i recently had to redo a mage after i fouled up my first one. Best of luck!

Gruesome Wolf_ns3 · Post by **Gruesome Wolf_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:27 am

I appreciate everyone's help, even the sarcastic ones...

A complete rereading of the grimoire clued me into some things that I think most "helpers" here take for granted that everyone knows.

I am not saying I made the best choices, but I am happy enough with the build. Cleric-38/Rogue-1 so far. Final Wisdom will be 48, because I decided that I wanted ruin and hellball. All the pretty lights...

The choices I made that I think are not well thought of:
1. Rogue instead of monk... I decided that UMD would be helpful until I had full NS gear and if the last 3 months are any indication, that might be a long enough time that I will be happy with UMD. And I certainly like having my Ice Shield, along with its improved invis twice a day for the concealment bonus. (Its a hassle to equip, cast, then unequip...)

2. No Zen Archery. This was probably a mistake. I enjoy using a triton morning star though... Not because I am great with it or anything, I just like it. but unlike the rogue vs. monk level, I think there is a clearer "better" on this front in terms of a "maximized build". I could have had skipped the epic spells and gotten Zen Archery. I've read about people skipping combat casting and improved combat casting because they can go into defensive casting mode, but that sounds like more hassle to me. I am all about simplicity. But Zen Archery would have been nice... Oh well.

I do have a big question though. I've read here in other threads that Cleric buffs, once you are over 30th level or so are supposed to be impossible to dispel.

What am I not understanding about this? The facehuggers on starfall shred my buffs, and in LP, Voor something or other... The spider-dude that disjunctions like crazy wrecked my buffs too. Same with the crystal palace beholder thing. He actually removed ALL of my buffs in one shot.

Is that strictly a PvP thing?

Forge_ns3 · Post by **Forge_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:56 am

High level clerics aren't impossible to dispel, just difficult.

I'm unsure from your post if you have already reached 38 caster levels or just plan on it...

if you only have 32 levels of cleric and are getting dispelled by those guys, that's probably to be expected. If you are at 38 cleric and still getting dispelled all the time, something else must be going on. My cleric w/ 38 cleric levels rarely gets dispelled.

Gruesome Wolf_ns3 · Post by **Gruesome Wolf_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:14 am

I am currently a 39th level toon, 38 cleric-1 Rogue.

Did crystal palace last night and the beholder mage things in the basement stripped me of all buffs other than the haste from my boots.

I just based my assumptions on:
http://www.nsrealm.com/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=15

I think the "unlikely" idea of being dispelled seems like a good explanation and I was just unlucky during my tests...

Just like everyone telling me that the Crystal Palace amulet drop is a 50% chane despite the fact that it has NOT dropped after 18 attempts in a row over a span of a week. (I am not exaggerating, I have kept track. 18 attempts without a drop)

It appears that I have the cleric of bad luck.

(The people I was with last night suspect that the amulet drop may have been altered)

Forge_ns3 · Post by **Forge_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:30 am

LOL.. sorry to hear about your ammy runs. It can be like that sometimes.

The guy in crystal palace is kind of a special case, when it comes to dispelling, I think. I'm not positive on this, but I think his script says something like:

SetDispelCheck=YesForeverHallalujahAmen

I can remember those guys dispelling me too... Just kind of a feature of that fight... try running the cleric of bad luck through some more places to get some more data.

Charon_ns3 · Post by **Charon_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:02 am

The "dispel" that those guys are doing is different from your standard run-of-the-mill mords. I think it's also tied to a "spell failure" effect. The CP guys, the beholders in Black Moon and the facehuggers in Starfall all do this, but I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting. As far as I know, if they hit with this and you fail whatever related save (is there even a save?), you lose everything and there is nothing you can do about it, no matter what level caster you are. Of course, I could be completely wrong...

For regular mords, 38 levels of cleic should be plenty...but even if you do get dispelled, one Divine Power and Undeath's Eternal Foe later, you are back to 75% or so of full-power imo.

DM Xero_ns3 · Post by **DM Xero_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:37 pm

I don't think there's a save involved. It generally happens as follows:

1. Eyeball uses antimagic cone.

2. You find yourself very, very naked.

Forge_ns3 · Post by **Forge_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:50 pm

I thought

SetDispelCheck=YesForeverHallelujahAmen

was more technically accurate.

Rocco_ns3 · Post by **Rocco_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:09 pm

Glaran wrote:ok rocco, i like the help you give people on the forums, but do you have to be so sarcastic? i see you ask him if he has "even made a character into epic levels" and if you read he said he has a level 37 wizard.

anyways, onto the cleric build-
i have made both caster and melee cleric builds, but not recently on NS3.5. However, i have found from prior experience and reading the boards that it would be better to drop 2 of your Great Wisdom feats, and get zen archery and something else, and also to use robes (0 armor) with monk levels for the best AC. I hope you can save your cleric, as i recently had to redo a mage after i fouled up my first one. Best of luck!

Well, some people like sarcastic tid bits every once and a while.

Plus, a lot of people get upset and/or frustrated playing the game and seldom get a character to level 40. Also, some of his comments made it seem like he didn't want to do the work of building his own character and would much rather have someone do it for him. Which gives people the right to be a little snippy at that persons expense. Information isn't free, unless you are reading my threads on my favorite builds, in which case, it is

Of course, he came back and humbly stated that he learned a lot and answered many of his own questions by reading others replies and threads, so I am proud of him, so Gruesome Wolf, you get a gold star and an A for effort.

Dang, their I go again with that sarcastic crud again

Rocco_ns3 · Post by **Rocco_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:23 pm

Gruesome Wolf wrote:
Just like everyone telling me that the Crystal Palace amulet drop is a 50% chane despite the fact that it has NOT dropped after 18 attempts in a row over a span of a week. (I am not exaggerating, I have kept track. 18 attempts without a drop)

It appears that I have the cleric of bad luck.

(The people I was with last night suspect that the amulet drop may have been altered)

Okay, I will confess that my vast NS knowledge does not cover this since everyone has always told me that nothing drops here worth while so it is the only place I have not been. That said, are you telling me there is an ammy here that I might be interested in?

What server are you on? Cause I am on West and whenever I ask if the DEVs have added anything in there, they always say, nope, don't waste your time.

Also, I feel so ashamed for being of a sarcastic tone

Okay, not really

But here are two threads that may help you out a bit:

http://www.nsrealm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8841
This one is my favorite builds, and it will continue to grow in the future. Right now, as luck has it, I am constructing my own cleric build, which is located here:

http://www.nsrealm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8912

I don't think I am going to go with the version that I have listed. I have him set up to change him if need be, but I plan on a caster cleric the whole way through.

disastro_ns3 · Post by **disastro_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:39 pm

i was also little thrown by cryodog's statement that a lvl 30 cleric with max spellcraft could not be dispelled. I looked through the rules and I dont see anything that associates spellcraft with dispel. unless all the dispel effects in the game were recoded to take that skill nto account (if anyone has information on exactly how that works I would appreciate it.)

and I was most disappointed with the ns cleric armor being heavy. I looked in the box and saw "abbot robes" that I would have taken, but I made the mistake of getting the "uber armor of the ages" the face thing offered.

one dwp run... wasted.

Rocco_ns3 · Post by **Rocco_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:43 pm

disastro wrote:i was also little thrown by cryodog's statement that a lvl 30 cleric with max spellcraft could not be dispelled. I looked through the rules and I dont see anything that associates spellcraft with dispel. unless all the dispel effects in the game were recoded to take that skill nto account (if anyone has information on exactly how that works I would appreciate it.)

and I was most disappointed with the ns cleric armor being heavy. I looked in the box and saw "abbot robes" that I would have taken, but I made the mistake of getting the "uber armor of the ages" the face thing offered.

one dwp run... wasted.

You're young. Get used to disapointment

It would be nice if you could get robes of cleric with extra spell slots, but far be it from me to ever complain

Forge_ns3 · Post by **Forge_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:55 pm

eh, I see the cleric armor being heavy as a balance thing... if there were NS cleric robes, we could all go make zen archery cleric monks and call it a day... with the various gear choices, there is some give and take between the various cleric builds that I think is healthy.

Rocco_ns3 · Post by **Rocco_ns3** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:06 pm

Forge wrote:eh, I see the cleric armor being heavy as a balance thing... if there were NS cleric robes, we could all go make zen archery cleric monks and call it a day... with the various gear choices, there is some give and take between the various cleric builds that I think is healthy.

I concur