Focus summons- animal not undead

Donan · Post by **Donan** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:32 pm

Figured I would follow up on other post. My summoning cleric is 11 now animal domain greater focus conjuration and I must say, there is nothing to complain about. here are the stats from celest lion summon 5

lvl 11
s 32
d 30
c 27
hp 152

ac35ab 29/24/19
2-12 +13
sr18 (at lvl 11 how great is that)
feats:
KD
barbarian speed
sneak 2d6

buffed
ac 40
ab 33/28/23
hp 174
2-12+15

great everything especially this is only summons 5 at lvl 11. best I can tell the animals seem great so far. not sure what is done for elemental summons, like that dumb water i think that keeps severing itself til almost dead bbut at this point awesome companion. one thing i did notice and need to modify my undead post, bless and aid do not reflect on summon sheet but do show in combat log so buffed would show ab31 but does attack with 33. To refer to another post with TBD talking about summons at this point the summons if far stronger then I am and makes a great companion I mean a 40ac at 11 i dont even know if is possible without using bugged equipment

tp make a char with 40 at 11.

I will follow up when elementals come into play. Oh and the AI they get stuck sometimes on a sharp corner but maybe I have been lucky since my summons have been performing ok.

/edit meant to say i was lvl 10 and summons 11 so just replace all my 11's with 10's

Donan · Post by **Donan** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:54 pm

I looked around but also wanted to know how the duration is figured. It seems the higher the summons the shorter they are around. let me know thanks

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:56 pm

That is true, as a higher level summons is more difficult, magically, to maintain. Being the weakest of the three types, undead summons last infinitely long; conversely, planar summons (the strongest) last the shortest amount of time.

The odd (but most helpful) exception is the Epic Planar Summon... its length is tremendous, yet, it is the most powerful of the summons.

Post by **Yonwe** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:09 pm

Aye, the length of the epic planars is good being so long... as a matter of time invested in a character, every druid who gets to 20 will have many, many summons to choose from, for example; but in order to get the epic planars, you need to invest an epic feat, which is a huge expentiture of a resource that could be so valuable elsewhere. I'm glad it rewards those who are daring enough to take it!

Donan · Post by **Donan** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:10 pm

Probably a dumb question

buuttt..is epic dragon summons the planar summons or is it another feat/spell?

TheKala · Post by **TheKala** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:45 pm

yes, they are the same thing.

Donan · Post by **Donan** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:47 pm

the epic summons are nice except the slaad one, I think its a slaad. with the focusing they have a nice durability in battle. i havent gotten epic focus yet so hoping that will make them even stronger.

1 question, i made my char lawful good since i wanted the celestial one with the sword but it still seems random, is it suppose to be that way?

btw it was that water elemental gah that things sucks severes itself at least twice so is near death before it even starts fighting, it wouldnt be that bad but the dc is 12 so unless its fighting gobo's everything will make that save.

((its Friday

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Post by **TheBestDeception** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:15 pm

Slightly old, but still a valid question.

For the time being, yes, it is meant to be randomized for all alignments. Perhaps at some point (when NS4 loses 'Beta') it will be set for alignment ... but not yet.

Donan · Post by **Donan** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:43 pm

I think you posted something a while back regarding improving the summons, if i remmember a wiz and a wiz/PM with same feats/combined lvl summon an undead the wiz/pm will be stronger (same with BG) if i got this right is there any way to make my animal summons even stronger besides animal domain and epic focus?

did that make any sense

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:45 pm

i think its funny that i have a secret cleric that is totally committed to his summons and you guys are right the summons are better. the funny comes in when you get to a certain lvl and you realize you wasted most of your lvls on feats and focuses on something you can't use in player combat without getting in trouble...but thats ok, cuz if my guy gets high enough to get into a fight i'm pullin all the stops.

Donan · Post by **Donan** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:10 pm

You may be right but i like playing the summoning style sometimes so i would like to find ways to improve it, i may get crushed in pvp, meh i get crushed with all my chars but i'm havin fun

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:45 pm

You can use them in PvP, so long as you do not cause XP loss. Being a cleric, it is easy to offer a raise to your poor victim. When raised, take pleasure in ending his life in a more noble fasion, as then he will certainly not lose XP.

It is the respawn, not the death, that causes the loss.

deathdearler1 · Post by **deathdearler1** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:41 pm

yeah, but 88% of my chars are evil and i don't rez after a fight for just anyone.

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:47 pm

Donan wrote:the epic summons are nice except the slaad one, I think its a slaad.

The Epic Slaad lacks regeneration of any sort, which is the trademark of slaads in general, leading me to believe that it is a bug.

Donan wrote:I think you posted something a while back regarding improving the summons, if i remmember a wiz and a wiz/PM with same feats/combined lvl summon an undead the wiz/pm will be stronger (same with BG) if i got this right is there any way to make my animal summons even stronger besides animal domain and epic focus?

That first statement is correct; Palemaster and Blackguard levels increase the effectiveness of UNDEAD summons in regular intervals. As far as the second statement, no, there is no further way to improve ANIMAL summons. (Note: being a Druid is the same as taking Animal Domain as far as the bonuses go).

TehMe wrote:Being the weakest of the THREE types, undead summons last infinitely long; conversely, planar summons (the STRONGEST!!!11oneone) last the shortest amount of time.

disastro · Post by **disastro** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:41 pm

I just got a death slaad at lvl 24 and he seems pretty cool. i was very afraid of taking this feat because the Gate black slaad was so utterly useless at that level (even with all the conj feats he was a waste of resources to even buff). but so far he's worth it (and boy was my finger ready to die and delevel to choose some other feat).

I dont have a lot of experience with the other summons (balor/solar) but this guy does sport regen 5 and a nice list of immunities. huge sr too, immune to knockdown and he does very well vs the giants in frostdale. he'll even drop a small horrid wilting on occasion (aww, 40 damage!! good boooy!)

I hope he does get better with level, it would suck to have an epic summon that only gets worse with respect to your enemies as you grow. he starts at level 25 it seems.

i have to say he is a better summon than my death domain cleric's mummy dust. sorta makes me regret choosing death (especially after i compared my mummy dust to a similar level wizard's mummy dust). death domain doesnt seem to add much that's visible on the info page at least. a whole domain for 2-3 points of ab, i'd have served the summon better by choosing a domain that grants stoneskin, haste, etc.