PKing lowbie issues

[ArcaneDruid]

I was playing on my Druid the other day, she was level 5 at the time, just trying to gain a level and all(you know the usual), then around the corner of the path comes a Sorcerer. Well I've set people on Like because I dont' want my summons going and attacking someone and killing some lowbie who's trying to cross the path from the Sleeth area(I hate making it hard for lowbies to start).

Well this Sorcerer was no lowbie, as a matter of fact he was at least 11 levels higher than me. He had me set to like so I was about to turn around and greet him, til he cast a holding spell on me so I wouldn't run into the next area, then cast an acid spell and killed me.

I'm having problems with this because I was in no way any match for this player. He killed me, a pretty new player, and ran off without a care in the world. I lost my bow in that encounter, and I NEEDED that bow in order to live in that area. I'm very lucky a generous player, from another faction, helped me out and supplied enough money for me to get another bow(however I know not all new players will have that luck).

Today, I was playing another character, a Drow Fighter that's level 2, trying to level again, fighting molemen, rats, and beetles, then guess who I see? That same Sorcerer that killed another character of mine. This time he looked and noticed I was there, and without warning he cast flame arrow and killed me. This is kill number two total. There's no where I could've been anything above easy in rating for this player. That's pathetic.

Then again, later today, he was partied with another player. That player came up to me, I greeted him, and he said No. That player I have absolutely no qualms with really..other than pk'ing a lowbie at all(however I won't be stating their name at the end of this cause they seem rather nice, unlike the other player). The Sorcerer who killed me before cast a spell, which my resistance failed at blocking, I don't know what it did because it all happened so quickly, but his partner got a few quick blows on me and killed me. He may not have gotten the killing blow, but this Sorcerer was involved in the PKing, and this has gotten into harrassment.

This upsets me greatly, that he even remotely thinks it's ok to PK lowbies like this. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for PvP, I enjoy it, especially when there's a challenge involved, but going around a picking off the easiest things you can fight, that's crappy. He stated before that he kills higher levelled characters too, but I seem to hear about his involvement with lower levelled characters more than anything else. As a matter of fact, usually the only time higher levels fight him is when he killed a lowbie.

The goal for my posting this is so that I can A: find a DM so I can share some screen shots with B: share a suggestion for a PK guideline and C: find others who may support my idea.

So if there are any DMs out there, please send me a PM so I can share two screen shots of his involvement with you please.

My Suggestions are:
- make unconsented PKing restricted to people who're moderate or under(If a lowbie attacks a higher level character first then it's their own fault)
- make a rule for someone who wants to kill lowbies to get their permission to fight first, if they can't then it's tough. This is to help prevent new players from being slaughtered, and to help other players for having a fighting chance.

This way unconsented(element of surprise type) PKing is still available, but it's not going to harm lowbies or even new players that could be great additions to the player base, and prevent them from leaving with disgruntled attitudes about a NWN mod which is actually pretty great.

Now to give our dreaded player's name:
Nomius Phasha

I have heard several people complain about him, and some call it whining, however I don't think it's whining in this case. There should be a barrier of respect between the players, but I guess unfortunately there will be some who don't feel the need to keep behind that barrier.

I would appreciate any DM PMing me greatly, and I would appreciate no harsh remarks/flaming. I'm not trying to whine or give anyone a hard time, however I feel someone else is trying to give me a hard time.

Thank you,
AD

[Elagneros]

Nomius, huh? Don't worry, he's lost a LOT more items than you have.

[deathdearler1]

the funny thing is that i knew it was nomius at the begining. terminal is a funny sort of guy, if you can prove that he doesn't stand a chance against you he'll leave you alone. if you can't defend yourself in a brave manner your going to be toast. if he finds you along his path.....your gonna be toast. thats just the way he plays.

[Netrom.dk]

My Suggestions are:
- make unconsented PKing restricted to people who're moderate or under(If a lowbie attacks a higher level character first then it's their own fault)

The problem here is, that there isn't a script that can flag the one who attacks first. And without a script to prevent this, its gonna be one of those rules that is hard to uphold, since it often turns out as being word on word about who is guilty and not.

- make a rule for someone who wants to kill lowbies to get their permission to fight first, if they can't then it's tough. This is to help prevent new players from being slaughtered, and to help other players for having a fighting chance.

This could be abused by low levels who (according to the first rule you posted) can start the attack, and immobilize his opponent. Like a sorc casting Bigby, or a tank who knockdown.

When you saw the sorc the second or third time, why didn't you just run away? personally i find it odd that players can see a dragon NPC, and is clever enough to run from him, if the player goes into the lair without knowing he is there, but running away from a player who has killed him earlier doesn't happen as often.

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Anyway, you can send the SS's to me, and i will ofcouse look into this case, and share it with the other DMs

[Insane1974]

think he just does it to keep new players from coming to server

[ArcaneDruid]

My Suggestions are:
- make unconsented PKing restricted to people who're moderate or under(If a lowbie attacks a higher level character first then it's their own fault)

The problem here is, that there isn't a script that can flag the one who attacks first. And without a script to prevent this, its gonna be one of those rules that is hard to uphold, since it often turns out as being word on word about who is guilty and not.

Well, that's what screen shots are for, if someone complains they'd need a screen shot of the beginning of the battle, this usually shows who takes the first action.

- make a rule for someone who wants to kill lowbies to get their permission to fight first, if they can't then it's tough. This is to help prevent new players from being slaughtered, and to help other players for having a fighting chance.

This could be abused by low levels who (according to the first rule you posted) can start the attack, and immobilize his opponent. Like a sorc casting Bigby, or a tank who knockdown.

When you saw the sorc the second or third time, why didn't you just run away? personally i find it odd that players can see a dragon NPC, and is clever enough to run from him, if the player goes into the lair without knowing he is there, but running away from a player who has killed him earlier doesn't happen as often.

Again, solution, screen shot.

I did try to run away, they can chase and Sorcerer's spells have distance. One hit kills me, I took one step and his flame arrows hit me, being in tunnels I didn't have much room to run at all. Just because we don't get away doesn't mean we aren't smart enough to run away, that's a major reason why PKing lowbies is so easy.

Third time I really really tried to run, I had more room, but being there was two of them they made it extremely hard on me. Cleverness was with me, it just didn't turn in my favor due to power differences.

[ArcaneDruid]

think he just does it to keep new players from coming to server

That's really bad then. x_X

[TGPO]

No screen shots, no proof, just "he said, she said". If you wish to have a discussion thats fine and we do listen to players opinions, or try to. In the end though if things dont go the way you think they do, its not that we werent listening just that for reasons of our own we have had to leave things alone.

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[ArcaneDruid]

Perfectly understood