Ok...weve had a wipe...but?

kgb · Post by **kgb** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:34 pm

I have to agree with Arashi. I played NS3 Pacific for almost 8 months then started NS4 Beta. I learnt someways down the track that there was a NS3.5 server (a new "streamlined" NS3).

Now from my time on NS3 it was a rewarding experience with the DM's/Whitecloaks providing added entertainment value and quests and the like.

I have been on NS4 Beta for nearly six months and have reported bugs as well. I made about 15 chars to playtest locations and classes. I have created another two characters since the wipe.

With all respect unless you come forward with detailed explanations as to the delay in releasing new content rather than say "we have lives too" or "the server is broke" the frustration and perceived whining will continue.

Information is the key. Yes the servers are a ghost town and yes all the well-kown players have left ... perhaps that's why I see Nomius is back

One problem that sticks in my craw is that screen respawning is still not working nearly a year after it was mentioned. This includes Giant Mountain, Wyrmwood and who knows where else. THIS is what annoys and frustrates me more than whether new areas are opened up.

Change is progress not to mention a breath of fresh air. I have tried NS3.5 and I don't like it. It cannot compare to the experience of NS4. I have also tried other servers like Howard's LOTR and Aventia but whilst in Howard's LOTR you can level to 40 in a matter of hours rather than months the experience is not the same as here on NS4; I can't describe it and that's why I persist.

Please reward the players for their continuing support and DV also show us respect too.

regards

kgb

Ryddwillow · Post by **Ryddwillow** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:32 am

Wow I was giving a compliment and defending someone and WOW a negative response---SWEET! Keep up the good work!!!!

Rhapsody_ · Post by **Rhapsody_** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:46 am

Ryddwillow wrote:Wow I was giving a compliment and defending someone and WOW a negative response---SWEET! Keep up the good work!!!!

lol perphaps if a lot of old players are coming back i would make again His Royal Madness again

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:54 am

Personally, I see no reason to come back untill they actually show some sign that they are serious about working on the server, and will continue to do so.

I fully realize that the devs have lives outside of the game. Using that as an excuse for not spending the 5 minutes it would take to run an update of the stuff which is already finished is just rediculous...Frostdale and Sunken Isle should have been implemented back in October, yet here we are...in February, still without those areas. I know how long it takes to update a few files and reboot the server...one of the places Ive played on since leaving NS had a dev that would do updates on a daily basis...if the devs are so busy they cant even devote 5 minutes to the server, why on earth is the server even around? Is it some vain hope that 'someday' they might get their lives straightened out enough to actually run a server or something?

You know what happens when an absentee landlord neglects a building? It turns into a slum...same thing happens with absentee developers and servers.

Arashi

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:58 pm

you are in a very similar boat, once NS4 has made a lot of progress and nears finishing you will see many many old faces on the servers again... maybe even ones you dont recognize...

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:52 pm

*grins*yes we will... yes we will...*grins*

The fact is... as most of us old foggies from NS1,2,3 (well I was only in NS3 for about 4-5 months b4 NS4 but hey... thats like 6 generations of microprocessors) know things -haven't- gone exactly as planed for the devs and creators of NS IRL and in game (take the allusion seriously).

And common you can't say they are not serious about working on the server if you have ever talked to them. Life some times takes a seriously $|-|17Y turn for the worse...

Anyway... lets take a lesson from Blizzard. We all know their games take years to make... A release date givin by Bliz should never be taken as is by their fans. But what do we the players of Bliz games get out of this... They do it right... and right the first time... I frankly don't see why people complain about games (especially from bliz) coming out so late -b/c- it means they are doing the job right and doing it right the first time.

Now ask yourself what the simularities are between Bliz and NSrealm...

1. Niether group has ever made a program to my knowledge that was not a blockbuster hit.

2. They both do the right thing, which is get it done right the first time (don't argue with me here... I and a few others no more about the "behind the sences" with the dev of NS4 and DD and Joran than most)

3. They are always here to listen and help.

(Hey you all [censored] and moan about the lvl cap? Well that is frankly for two reasons as I see it (now I have been out of the loop for a while but here it goes) -1- When 95% of the Open Beta Testers (OBT) were complaining about lvl 40 chars... okies... slaves... etc. PKing lowbies mercilessly the DM's Dev's and even DD and Joran addressed the issue by saying this (paraphrased for bad memory) "Why don't you the players ban together and help each other out. Don't leave non-aligned areas without a rather large contingent unless you wanna die huge (hence why I created CLAD with ATI (that and I was trying to help the economy of Clerical goods))." And well a lot of players took this to heart but man still complained. -2- There were no epic areas... i.e. nothing for higher lvl players to do but raid... and well we have gone full circle back to reason -1-... so in closing... we the players are held responsible for our actions and what we say and convey to the DM's and Devs...)

4. Both groups have always held the players needs and concerns as their first priority.

Any way... ^_^ time for food

meatbean · Post by **meatbean** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:40 am

i'll come back and play some more when things are smoothed out. Im back on my original favorite server, Dor Maeglin and having a blast with all my old friends there. Many of them are just waiting on ns4 to get the bugs worked out as well. By the way, what are the server addresses now? I had them in my favorites but obviously they have changed because they are never on. Peace people!!

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:11 am

>>1. Niether group has ever made a program to my knowledge that was not a blockbuster hit.<<

Cant really argue with you there. NS seems to be a hit, as is everything Blizzard has ever done.

>>2. They both do the right thing, which is get it done right the first time<<

I'll argue with that...if it was done right the first time, NS4 would not have lost almost its entire player base.

>>3. They are always here to listen and help.<<

They may be there listening...as for helping...when did that happen, its a rarity for an actual dev to even post here, let alone do something active in the game.

>>4. Both groups have always held the players needs and concerns as their first priority.<<

I find that hard to beleive...with the ammount of communication from the NS4 dev team they may as well not even exist, not to mention rash decisions like implementing a level cap without even letting the DM staff know about it.

There are also some major differences between what Blizzard does and what the NS team has done...creating an entire game is far more complex than making a mod to an existing game...Ive seen people throw together a passable PW in a matter of days when they know what they are doing...sure its not as in-depth as NS4, but it can actually be pretty good in a rather short period of time if a little bit of thought and planning are put into it.

Anyways...Im getting tired of ranting about this place...I'll keep checking back occasionally, even if its only to see just how long it takes the devs to get their acts together.

Arashi

Terminal Insanity · Post by **Terminal Insanity** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:00 am

Arashi wrote:What exactly does shortly mean?

"shortly" is another word for "soon" and since NS Devs dont actualy like giving the community any information, they'll just say things like "shortly" or "soon" to hopfully stop the questions.

In NS time, "Soon" means 2+ months

Terminal Insanity · Post by **Terminal Insanity** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:13 am

Kurth wrote:Now ask yourself what the simularities are between Bliz and NSrealm...

And now for the exteme opposites of blizzard and nsrealm...
1) Blizzard gives its community far more feedback. NSRealm just says "soon"
2) Blizzard has a proper 'beta' system, ns realm just puts it out there and lets people play on a unfinished product without true beta testing

kgb wrote:Yes the servers are a ghost town and yes all the well-kown players have left ... perhaps that's why I see Nomius is back

I'm back because i slipped up and actualy thought a wipe and promise of new areas was actualy around the corner... Only to realize theres now more bugs, no new areas, and now they capped my char's level...

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:41 pm

Terminal Insanity wrote:I'm back because i slipped up and actualy thought a wipe and promise of new areas was actualy around the corner... Only to realize theres now more bugs, no new areas, and now they capped my char's level...

In terms of the entire mod, yes, they are around the corner. Besides, you admit that you found these brand-new bugs...that means you are fulfilling a purpose of playing in a Beta server. Were these bugs properly submitted to the <a href="http://bugs.nsrealm.com">bug tracker</a>?

Ryddwillow · Post by **Ryddwillow** » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:32 am

Does that mean SOON or SHORTLY or is there another word that I should know of and plz keep it FAMILY orientated.

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:36 am

They could toss "directly" into the mix there...I think someone needs to check the dictionary and/or thesaurus before they start using words like "soon"

Something more along the lines of "eventually" , "one of these days" , or possibly even "sooner or later" would be a far more appropriate tagline for the NS4 team.

Arashi

trent · Post by **trent** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:44 pm

wow give them a break ..... i think they need to get the remaining 2 servers stable before adding anything else too the mod. remember we started with 4 servers ...... I know you have been here awhile ... so have I so you know as well as I do just how unstable the servers are . More so now i think because they seem to go down just about every other day . Tell me what new content your hoping for? you want epic areas? more weapons and armor? i remember when i first started here how much the servers crashed. when they crash now it seems to be a major problem and not due to too many lvl 40 sorcs hurling spells in every direction . I think if they added the epic areas it would make the mod even more unstable than it is right now ..... give the devs some time to get the servers working properly damn ..... maybe you should start a few chars and get them to lvl 25 then when they add the epic areas you will be all set and ready to rock on them.

Post by **Yonwe** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:40 pm

In my opinion, I agree that the servers probably aren't in shape right now to handle the epic areas. Anyone who's noticed lag and ping times while logging in can see that the servers as-are are chewing up bandwidth left and right handling a fairly small player base and the ensuing gameplay; if epics went in today, many more players would come back and many more of them would spend much more time online, which compounds the fact that epic fights spawn more items and crunch more numbers, which in turn slows the clock speed and uses more resources, which puts more garbage into the bandwidth, which causes players to click and fight and cast more due to lag than they otherwise would, which...

It's a self-propegating cycle. And really, I know everyone wants new content and has come up with this notion of "Neversummer Time," but the devs and DMs are trying to do the best we can. Far from by any means is this module dead