Ok new story here this shows the absolute nonsense that occurs on this server, jard and rag both telling me about a char jin lance voo, this char is rated impossible to jard, so that told me hacker or dm right there. This char is killing ragnarok (yeah i know don't have to tell me) and causing xp loss every time he is killed.
I got my sorc to investigate ran in ns with jard, to find jin next to rag in ns, rated impossible to me i hit with bigsbys, sr bounced spells off, followed up with 2 mords and a bigsbys, went through and started lighting off the igms.
Rag was standing there not participating at all, jin ran up, killed him causing him more xp loss, then killed me, also losing xp, then killed jard. I asked quit a few times on shout, then told i was going to report with my ss in hand, finally a dm sez " beware the dm running around". Wow, ok that's cool.... then upon more questioning says " how does it feel to be on the other foot" WTF is this crap about..... this is a dm on a power trip... any explanation or will this post be ignored too?
Included are ss url's of the occurance.. not img'd at they take up alot of space on screen, but here for proof, got plenty more if anyone needs em.
http://wehate.org/upload/NWN0005a.jpg
http://wehate.org/upload/NWN0007.jpg
http://wehate.org/upload/NWN0010.jpg
http://wehate.org/upload/NWN0011.jpg
l337 h@x0r, now what is this about?
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Anro d'Jinn
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Lets get a few things straight here, as there were 2 DMs watching the mess in NS city:
There were a group of higher level characters going at it arena style in NS city. I possesed Elvin and asked that the violence be taken outside. It wasnt, so I put it across shout to take it outside as DM, again ignored. The next thing in the list was I laid the boot to anyone of those players who initiated a hostile act.
Why? I watched 3 new players get killed in collateral damage. There was no reason, RP or otherwise I should have let anyone destroy the fun of others just for the sake of your personal entertainment. This wasnt a faction raid, it was arena combat in a zone that will unavoidably have lowbie in it.
Now for what came later on. I dug an uber NPC out of the creator (dc 128) changed his appearance and clothes and played him as a PC for a little bit. Suprisingly the same players that were involved in the prior incedent showed back up again. What happens next? I trun him loose on auto pilot and that NPC wipes the floor with all present and suddenly now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone starts screaming unfair, cheat, and hacker.
This is a PvP mod, thats a given. But the times for letting the higher level players run roughshod over it needs to come to an end. For all the whining and complaining that came from those 6 players (I'll let them name themselves) about 80% of the rest of the players put a thank you, or about time across the DM channel.
If your kind of fun requires you to destroy the fun of the others around you I suggest that an Arena Mod might just be the place to look. The PvP that is included here is meant for RP purposes, some of you just use it as an excuse to do what you please.
NO MORE HIDING, we have new DM's onboard and a few more to come. NS is alot of things, an arena mod it is not. You will be warned, talked to, kicked, booted and ultimatly banned if you think that the continuation of this Arena mentality even against level 1's continues.
Aniro this isnt just aimed at you even though it is attached to your post. You for the most part are a decent player as are many others. But the time has come to lay it down. we have lost to many players already because of the arena mentality that has been so prevelant.
*edit* Good screen shots BTW, exactly what I would hope to see if you were to run across something like that and wanted to supply proof */edit*
There were a group of higher level characters going at it arena style in NS city. I possesed Elvin and asked that the violence be taken outside. It wasnt, so I put it across shout to take it outside as DM, again ignored. The next thing in the list was I laid the boot to anyone of those players who initiated a hostile act.
Why? I watched 3 new players get killed in collateral damage. There was no reason, RP or otherwise I should have let anyone destroy the fun of others just for the sake of your personal entertainment. This wasnt a faction raid, it was arena combat in a zone that will unavoidably have lowbie in it.
Now for what came later on. I dug an uber NPC out of the creator (dc 128) changed his appearance and clothes and played him as a PC for a little bit. Suprisingly the same players that were involved in the prior incedent showed back up again. What happens next? I trun him loose on auto pilot and that NPC wipes the floor with all present and suddenly now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone starts screaming unfair, cheat, and hacker.
This is a PvP mod, thats a given. But the times for letting the higher level players run roughshod over it needs to come to an end. For all the whining and complaining that came from those 6 players (I'll let them name themselves) about 80% of the rest of the players put a thank you, or about time across the DM channel.
If your kind of fun requires you to destroy the fun of the others around you I suggest that an Arena Mod might just be the place to look. The PvP that is included here is meant for RP purposes, some of you just use it as an excuse to do what you please.
NO MORE HIDING, we have new DM's onboard and a few more to come. NS is alot of things, an arena mod it is not. You will be warned, talked to, kicked, booted and ultimatly banned if you think that the continuation of this Arena mentality even against level 1's continues.
Aniro this isnt just aimed at you even though it is attached to your post. You for the most part are a decent player as are many others. But the time has come to lay it down. we have lost to many players already because of the arena mentality that has been so prevelant.
*edit* Good screen shots BTW, exactly what I would hope to see if you were to run across something like that and wanted to supply proof */edit*
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Anro d'Jinn
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Not losing them to pvp
... that's why i am here, i am the first to combat the okies, slaves, and random high level pk's, and to help the beginning player with items, info whatever, ask anyone that.... but getting booted, xp loss, labeled as a pkr and flamed on shout by a DM, that's just some damn nonsense, and no i was not warned, i had just crossed over from server1 to ns city, me & mental walked to the far side of the screen and had begun dueling when without warning was booted, and no explanation when i came back... this is about the only way to get one. Didn't know about the other pvping going on in the area as everything was covered in darkness spell when i came in the city. Still no warning was given to me and the others that supposedly did the lowbee pkin were still there. Nice.
And yes if i get a call that some1 is hacking and causing xp loss when killing i'm on the way. I was the first one to get my sorc and try to help out, dm's are just coming out of the woodwork all the sudden, it has been mostly left up to the player population to police up pkr's and now it's all changed? How bout a post on the rules, so we know in advance instead of dropping stuff like this on us all the sudden? But enuf whining about me, here's a drop from the general populace i think i speak for just about all when i say..
so wtf are we supposed to do as there is NO rping to be had here as there are no quests/updates/ anything to do at all, we are kinda left out in the cold with anything to do huh? or maybe you haven't read arashi's post? YOU ARE NOT LOSING PLAYERS TO PVP! You are losing them from lack of thing's to do, only so many characters can be made and factions to be played. PVP is keeping this world alive right now as you can look up to beating these uber pk characters by testing out mods and play styles, am i right or wrong, i'm sure about 75% of the fanbase will agree....
http://www.nsrealm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2291 if you haven't read it yet
And yes if i get a call that some1 is hacking and causing xp loss when killing i'm on the way. I was the first one to get my sorc and try to help out, dm's are just coming out of the woodwork all the sudden, it has been mostly left up to the player population to police up pkr's and now it's all changed? How bout a post on the rules, so we know in advance instead of dropping stuff like this on us all the sudden? But enuf whining about me, here's a drop from the general populace i think i speak for just about all when i say..
so wtf are we supposed to do as there is NO rping to be had here as there are no quests/updates/ anything to do at all, we are kinda left out in the cold with anything to do huh? or maybe you haven't read arashi's post? YOU ARE NOT LOSING PLAYERS TO PVP! You are losing them from lack of thing's to do, only so many characters can be made and factions to be played. PVP is keeping this world alive right now as you can look up to beating these uber pk characters by testing out mods and play styles, am i right or wrong, i'm sure about 75% of the fanbase will agree....
http://www.nsrealm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2291 if you haven't read it yet
What happened was gay and wasn't needed!! i lost 2,400 hard earned exp. And in the rules it doesn't say don't kill lowbies. So you had no reason to do what you did. I asked you multiple times if i did anything wrong u didnt answer. Then you threatened to get me banned for my chain light killing someone in spawn point witch i can not control. I think you are a bad DM and i hope you get in trouble for this.
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Under the big PvP where TGPO ended up booting some of you, we had up to 10 players running around fighting each other at random. Because of that it was hard to see who was in the fight and who had first joined. TGPO first possesed elvin and asked them to take it outside town so that the newcomers could avoid the colateral damage they suffored. When noone reacted to that he shouted as with his DM avatar that everyone fighting in NS should leave. Then he started booting players, it was hard to know who had been there from the start and who was running thru, so everyone standing still or fighting would be booted to let them know they should move out of the town.
Like TGPO said, he first joined after 10 mins of fighting. I was there the whole time, and if i had seen a low lvl being killed earlier i would have reacted the same way, since a random arena fighting shouldn't disturp the leveling of new players.
Lack of RP? try partying up with other players then you use to, and try to be in character the whole time, you will find that more players actually do RP, but the shouting or powergaming makes them fall back, and maybe not RP as openly as powergamers shout about their last victory.
Like TGPO said, this is more a general statement and not aimed at you, we only posts here since it happened to be your post that triggered it.
...btw incase any of you didn't notice, I was the other DM that was around at the time.
Like TGPO said, he first joined after 10 mins of fighting. I was there the whole time, and if i had seen a low lvl being killed earlier i would have reacted the same way, since a random arena fighting shouldn't disturp the leveling of new players.
Lack of RP? try partying up with other players then you use to, and try to be in character the whole time, you will find that more players actually do RP, but the shouting or powergaming makes them fall back, and maybe not RP as openly as powergamers shout about their last victory.
Like TGPO said, this is more a general statement and not aimed at you, we only posts here since it happened to be your post that triggered it.
...btw incase any of you didn't notice, I was the other DM that was around at the time.
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Anro d'Jinn
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Suggestion
Suggestion: instead of pking, xp lossing, banning you couldn't have turned the mass into something constuctive? Say by dm spawning something uber outside of ns for a group to take on (couple of dragon's or some such), a quest to do....for some item or anything? You all have more power than simply policing up the population, and with more dm's, why can't you start generating these types of things more often? I know you aren't dev's so you can't hurry the ns4 process up, but PLZ make this more fun if you can. Yeah i know this post isn't just about me, and on the RP, i have tried, i have tried every faction, with just about every build you can think of, currently working on 3 more including my neverending quest to build a mage killer (monks sucks, 2 mords and sr is kaput). But seeing as how some one that knows where just a few things can get to lvl 20 within a week, leaves little to do... but there are other solutions than the ban/pk/let the uber npc sort em out mentality...
One thing this was mostly about the deal with going crazy on us with the uber npc. The NS banning deal wasn't that big. I think its a load of crap that yall come in kill us make us lose exp and won't give it back. Then give us a reason that isn't even in the rules. I think that is realy stupid. Plus how bout next time telling us something before going off and doing it. And about her she said that she was the npc way after she had alread killed us. And the whole time protended to be investigating this hacked character {Uber NPC she murdered us with} Then she came up and taunted me with this character. I think somethin should be done about this DM abusing her power.
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All I have to say is...
If you think today was a bad day...its just gonna get worse and worse as more players hit higher levels and have nothing to do...
Ive been playing on NS4 since july, and in that time the only actual change to the server that I have seen was adding snoring and blindness to resting...there is simply nothing for people above level 20 to do other than PvP, and with no designated arenas or anything for such activity, it will end up happening in the most central location on the server...NS City
I know the DMs are just doing their jobs, or at least trying to...but until you give higher level players something to do, dont expect anything less than what was going on today.
If you think today was a bad day...its just gonna get worse and worse as more players hit higher levels and have nothing to do...
Ive been playing on NS4 since july, and in that time the only actual change to the server that I have seen was adding snoring and blindness to resting...there is simply nothing for people above level 20 to do other than PvP, and with no designated arenas or anything for such activity, it will end up happening in the most central location on the server...NS City
I know the DMs are just doing their jobs, or at least trying to...but until you give higher level players something to do, dont expect anything less than what was going on today.
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Ryddwillow
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I was there w/ Dedrumada and watched the whole thing. I pked none but killed a lowbi because i was invisble and he ventured to close and auto attacked killed him, i rezed him and holy bolt. I didnt even fight but watched like the lowbi's. The lowbi's watched and what is to expect when when u r a lowbi and stand around much higher lvls and expect nothing? I as a lowbi run to a safe distant and watch and not get up close. It has been this way since i began on this server since last March. Nothing changes as a lowbi's curiousity to see up close what is happening and the result is death and they whine as a result of this. It is the player who determines the end result. I have watched this arena style many times as many different chars because i was usually invovled. I have heard of this style many times because other players tell me. I remain neutral on this matter because some dm's are my friends along w/ other players at the time of the moment. i just thought maybe a simple solution would of been a better idea. I remember when okies and evil rose where pking rk many moons ago and no dm interferred to help us--but those were many moons ago and i move on. this is a game w/ rules in place and to be implemented period. I have many chars that ppl can attest to and i get pked many times. So the end result is that u can have many char and still get pked--play on.
I have been banned for no illegal action!!
I have been banned for no illegal action and i ask that something be done. I rped and attacked 2 people and someone banned me. They said that i could not be banned or punished if i rped. Someone plz argue my case for me if you see this since i am unable to.
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Yup, you were, until the next server reset after 24 hours is up. We wont go into why publicly, however to remind you it was about something that I and atleast 2 other DMs I am aware of have talked to you about over the last few days.
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I was also around for the chaos in NS city. I was standing around watching with my lvl. 25 near the end of the arena style fighting, and was chatting with someone when I got booted. No big deal, it's hard to tell who's fighting and who's watching... so I've got no issue with that.
However, after we all got booted, everyone (as far as I could tell) took it outside. The mob scattered, and it seemed like peace had returned. Since things seemed clear in NS city, I figured I'd play my lvl. 7 wizard for a while.
This is when some bloody DM decides to have a power trip. I wander out of the NS city inn, and I'm immediately killed by what I thought at the time was a player. So I wander outside again to see if this person is going to be stupid enough to kill me twice right outside of a respawn point and what do you know... dead again. Then I noticed that I took a respawn penalty each time because, as we all know now, this was no ordinary player.
So, in "protecting" the lowbies from a high level brawl that had already broken up, I got killed twice by a DM, and managed to lose a level. This seems like a *really* reasonable way to avenge some lowbies who I'm sure lost nothing when they got caught in the crossfire.
Screens:
http://www.ualberta.ca/~jwiwchar/NS4/1.jpg
http://www.ualberta.ca/~jwiwchar/NS4/2.jpg
http://www.ualberta.ca/~jwiwchar/NS4/3.jpg
However, after we all got booted, everyone (as far as I could tell) took it outside. The mob scattered, and it seemed like peace had returned. Since things seemed clear in NS city, I figured I'd play my lvl. 7 wizard for a while.
This is when some bloody DM decides to have a power trip. I wander out of the NS city inn, and I'm immediately killed by what I thought at the time was a player. So I wander outside again to see if this person is going to be stupid enough to kill me twice right outside of a respawn point and what do you know... dead again. Then I noticed that I took a respawn penalty each time because, as we all know now, this was no ordinary player.
So, in "protecting" the lowbies from a high level brawl that had already broken up, I got killed twice by a DM, and managed to lose a level. This seems like a *really* reasonable way to avenge some lowbies who I'm sure lost nothing when they got caught in the crossfire.
Screens:
http://www.ualberta.ca/~jwiwchar/NS4/1.jpg
http://www.ualberta.ca/~jwiwchar/NS4/2.jpg
http://www.ualberta.ca/~jwiwchar/NS4/3.jpg
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deathdearler1
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well, i was in on the bloodfest that ensued in the city. with both holy bolt and warrior dischord in the fight. i was one of the last to be booted for hostile actions and we all went outside the city and caused a little chaos out there. i never killed any lowbies and most of my attacks were aimed at 3 ppl that were there. i did raise a few low lvl ppl when they got to close to the action. it wasn't too bad getting booted for causing too much trouble, however i'm not sure if bringing in a powerhouse mob was really an answer that was needed. considering the power over the mod that a dm has in their possession another alternative may have been sought....like just killing ppl outright. 
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Re: Suggestion
It is? I thought the engine change in 1.61 broke the SR reduction effect (when engine or permenant duration effect, item SR is working but limited to 32--can do something with server side hak but it'll show badstrref on examine besides being a ton of work, sigh). I'll compare the 3.5 code against the dispels I wrote for 4 (which still need workAnro d'Jinn wrote:...currently working on 3 more including my neverending quest to build a mage killer (monks sucks, 2 mords and sr is kaput).
) and 1.64 Bio stuff (broken AFAICT), but I thought we were only left with whining to Bio and trashing the spell system entirely yet again to fix.On jwiwchar's screens, wow the game looks pretty nice in 1200+ resolution with all the lighting and shadows on
Maybe I'm too hard on Bio...nah, I don't pick on the art, just the hardware it takes to make it look and run nice at the same time lol. City tiles look a lot less generic with higher detail settings.Tep wrote:I login and there's a dwarf to kill. You can't ask for much more than that.
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