Bigby's

Downfall · Post by **Downfall** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:48 pm

To avoid bigby's you need lots of disciplin

strengh gives you disciplin but did you put any skills into disc???

Quiett · Post by **Quiett** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:27 am

Freedom of movement doesn't work against Bigbys?

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:51 am

No.

I generally max disc on my chars as well. It was probably around 30 most the time on my newer char.

Epistaxis · Post by **Epistaxis** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:39 am

The Bigbys will first have to hit you which mean a high AC would protect you. If the bigby spell hit the target a grapple check is then made.

Bigbys crushing hand has a tohit somewhere around caster ability mod + caster level + 11 + 1d20. A 20 level wiz would then have a tohit of 31 + ability mod (think it is str) + 1d20. You better have a really high ac to avoid a hit

The grapple check is something like this:
1d20 + ability mod + caster level + 16 and it has to beat the targets grapple check which is base attack + size mod + str ability mod. A huge str is apparently needed to win the grapple check.

I am not sure if the spells have been changed by the devs or if I am reading the spell scripts correct but beating the grapple check seems to be allmost impossible. A 20 level wiz would have a grapple check of around 40 + 1d20 while a level 20 warrior with +12 str would have 38 (20 base + 12 str + 4 size)!!!

Epistaxis · Post by **Epistaxis** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:52 am

The problem with Spura using scrolls is probably the level the scroll is cast at compared to the wiz he was fighting. A 30 level spellcasters bigbys is allot tougher to beat than a level 17 bigby scroll.

Epistaxis · Post by **Epistaxis** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:03 am

Bigbys forcefull hand works like this:
Caster check = 1d20 + 14
Target check = 1d20 + str mod + size

Epistaxis · Post by **Epistaxis** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:09 am

The grapple check with Bigbys Grasping hand is allot worse.

Caster grapple = 1d20 + ability mod + caster level +14
Target grapple = size + str mod.

A human fighting would need a str of 70+ to be able to win the grapple check against a level 20 wiz. I really hope I misunderstand the scripts

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:57 am

Epistaxis wrote:The grapple check with Bigbys Grasping hand is allot worse.

Caster grapple = 1d20 + ability mod + caster level +14
Target grapple = size + str mod.

A human fighting would need a str of 70+ to be able to win the grapple check against a level 20 wiz. I really hope I misunderstand the scripts

Don't think so...I have a char with 50+ str, and he does not get effected whatsoever by bigby's.

Granted, he is not human...but its the idea.

Post by **Lokey** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:12 pm

They're rewritten (Bio code was pitiful--see comments above about the impossible to beat str check: it actually comapares d20 + caster stat + hand bonus v. d20 + casters str...who let these guys write a game).

Function should be more like description. Freedom doesn't apply, think of the hand like a normal NPC. Oh, banish and dismissal will pop hands as well. They still need work though.