Balance

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:25 am

ah yes Mister DV, but where can we TRULY find it implemented?

DrakhanValane · Post by **DrakhanValane** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:54 am

Heheh. I thought you were making a mod for me that did? :D

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:23 pm

WHy yes Mr DV i would, but i dont think you would like it...

Downfall · Post by **Downfall** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:23 pm

would it be possible to add something like 1d4 magical damage for a pure class fighter or something? maybe that would help a bit

...just an idea

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:58 pm

i dont think taht would hel pb/c teh ppl taht have good fighter builds that dont neeed the help will just be even better, offsetting the balance.. whatever of it there is..

Downfall · Post by **Downfall** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:20 am

but a good cleric, mage, druid or even bard build is way better than fighter ones

TheBoris · Post by **TheBoris** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:31 am

deathdearler1 wrote: i really haven't seen anyone fighting the 2 dragons that exist so far, but i'm sure if they did they might need a pal or 2.

Did it. Cleric/14. Boring. Dragon juice all over the place when I was done and fairly crappy loot.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:01 pm

Downfall wrote:but a good cleric, mage, druid or even bard build is way better than fighter ones

u might want to take a secong look at your fighter builds... make sure they arent pure fighter also...

Downfall · Post by **Downfall** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:17 pm

i'm not saying i dont klnow how to build fighters...ive been playing pvp/teampvp a lot lately and i find that they are mutch weaker than a good cleric, mage....blabla build! I am sure i am not the only one who thinks so

meatbean · Post by **meatbean** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:03 am

I'll vouch for downfall, he builds some kick [censored] characters. (someday Im gonna persuade him to teach me his methods!! hehe

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Spura · Post by **Spura** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:56 am

My problem with clerics is, they have everything.
They get like 10 fire 5 magical damage monsters usually don't resist.
They get rez noone else has.
They get all the good summons.
They are pretty good casters.
They have +5 deflection +5 shield +5 armor and if plant domain +5 natural as well. I hope devs plan to give other melee +5 AC items as well this is extremely unbalancing.
They get heal.
And they get great immunities like harm immunity, huge SR, death spell immunity and so on.

So a cleric can easily have 6 more AC than normal melee or 10 more AC with death's eternal foe. Even more with haste and divine shield. Then he has tons of more damage as normal melee, topped by great immunities, rez, heals and concealment. That's what's my problems with clerics. They have everything like summons and heals and at the same time have better AC, AB and damage than other melee(and those 3 categories is what melee is all about). About 33% of server is clerics, especially with all the CLAD ppl around. Right now I am standing in sleeth with 2 clerics next to me. Server is full of them. Now I don't want them too nerfed, but I think that other melee classes should get same AC at least.

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:15 am

TheBoris wrote:
deathdearler1 wrote: i really haven't seen anyone fighting the 2 dragons that exist so far, but i'm sure if they did they might need a pal or 2.
Did it. Cleric/14. Boring. Dragon juice all over the place when I was done and fairly crappy loot.

There's a black dragon in the swamps as well. Not sure how many there are in all on ns4, maybe 4 or so.

Oh, and about the crappy dmg vs giants: If you have called shot that works great, and knockdown works reasonably well. But hulgaru's idea on elemental resists and maybe mixed up saves and good sr would help as well.

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:29 am

TheBoris wrote:
deathdearler1 wrote: i really haven't seen anyone fighting the 2 dragons that exist so far, but i'm sure if they did they might need a pal or 2.
Did it. Cleric/14. Boring. Dragon juice all over the place when I was done and fairly crappy loot.

Are you referring to the same "two dragons" that he was? These are lvl 24 monsters, in the same throne room...not the guards at the front of Sleeth. Sure, they don't hit hard, but they have enourmous resists / HP ... and they heal themselves several times over when injured. How on earth would you have beat them with a single 14?

Sara Tonin · Post by **Sara Tonin** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:05 pm

2 or 3 damage against giants? I do 10 or so against them per hit at level 9. Sure i'm not a pure fighter, i'm a horribly gimped archer instead. If the bow isn't getting through to something I sling
it across my back and pull out a slasher/smasher & shield combo.

When I party up there I dont feel useless either, sure i'm doing crap damage, but every giant has been called shot arm / legged - those things benefit the party.

Those that overspecialise in a certain weapon will always come acroos problems in NWN, overspecialise in something for day to day use sure - but keep your options open.

Throst54 · Post by **Throst54** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:27 pm

Spura wrote:My problem with clerics is, they have everything.
They get like 10 fire 5 magical damage monsters usually don't resist.
They get rez noone else has.
They get all the good summons.
They are pretty good casters.
They have +5 deflection +5 shield +5 armor and if plant domain +5 natural as well. I hope devs plan to give other melee +5 AC items as well this is extremely unbalancing.
They get heal.
And they get great immunities like harm immunity, huge SR, death spell immunity and so on.

So a cleric can easily have 6 more AC than normal melee or 10 more AC with death's eternal foe. Even more with haste and divine shield. Then he has tons of more damage as normal melee, topped by great immunities, rez, heals and concealment. That's what's my problems with clerics. They have everything like summons and heals and at the same time have better AC, AB and damage than other melee(and those 3 categories is what melee is all about). About 33% of server is clerics, especially with all the CLAD ppl around. Right now I am standing in sleeth with 2 clerics next to me. Server is full of them. Now I don't want them too nerfed, but I think that other melee classes should get same AC at least.

ahh a gud response...