Casters Beware!!! The Death of Death Magic and Casters

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:47 pm

And 80d6 epic lvl spells i'd think would help alleviate this problem some anyway.

Thorleif · Post by **Thorleif** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:51 pm

From everything Ive heard from the devs/dms it seems that they are well aware of the dc probs with spell casters and they seem determined to fixt the problem... Personally I think this is much ado about nothing, in the end they will balance spellcasters/melee etc and nobody will even remember this debate.

IcemanXV · Post by **IcemanXV** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:17 pm

Thorleif wrote:From everything Ive heard from the devs/dms it seems that they are well aware of the dc probs with spell casters and they seem determined to fixt the problem... Personally I think this is much ado about nothing, in the end they will balance spellcasters/melee etc and nobody will even remember this debate.

It still has to be voiced.

We are playing the game and noticing in the long run the spell DC vs saves are going to become somwhat unbalanced. We are letting everyone and the Devs know this. Maybe the way some people have gone about this has sounded like "whining" but it is just another thing to report. That's why we're beta testing, aren't we?

Ace Dragonfury · Post by **Ace Dragonfury** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:30 am

Kudos! Well said.

garrykasparov · Post by **garrykasparov** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:57 am

I just wanted to correct a small miscalculation with regards to KD and discipline. At higher levels a mage who invests feats into sk focus disc and epic sk focus: disc should have little difficulty resisting most KD except those from fully buffed clerics and div. wrathful CoT.

IcemanXV · Post by **IcemanXV** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:14 am

garrykasparov wrote:I just wanted to correct a small miscalculation with regards to KD and discipline. At higher levels a mage who invests feats into sk focus disc and epic sk focus: disc should have little difficulty resisting most KD except those from fully buffed clerics and div. wrathful CoT.

Pretty much. I Epic focused in discipline along with maxing my ranks (27). When buffed i have between 45-50 discipline. This means that even an epic fighter will have to roll 15+ to land a KD. Plus they have to get over my AC

Only problem is the fact that pure classing is encouraged....but I don't mind "gimping" my character if it stops me from getting KDed.

-=Mushra=- · Post by **-=Mushra=-** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:01 am

im not trying to defend either side of the story but casters own before lv 20, melee will own later on, a good caster might even make a good fight.

but if you can buy heal pods that heal you to maximum as you could in ns3 there will be no way to make PvP fair.

let alone when subraces like Drow come in mind with there spell resist.

just a guess but what if the drow resist does stack with monk? no spell ever gonna hurt em.

and tbh if we talking melee chars id be more fearful of a good rogue then a good fighter.

a str rogue with a fair hide and move silent, taking on all the sneak possibilities there are and a weapon with a high dmg roll any rogue will outdamgs a fighter.

saying an average fighter of lv 40 will do about what? 200 dmg tops? not counting crits of scythes etc etc.

a rogue can do over 600 dmg without any crits, let alone when a scythe crits.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:21 am

The spell resist doesn't stack, luckily.

rodney_ws · Post by **rodney_ws** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:10 pm

The original post was not a complaint... merely a statement of fact. Casters have it ridiculously easy early in the game... the amped up summons just make it that much easier... but in a world full of level 40 guys running around with tons of heal kits, a caster really will be up a creek without a paddle... that day is coming. I still enjoy playing casters and I have a few ideas in mind to help counter this, but as a whole it's only going to get more difficult for casters to live in a melee world. I just feel sorry for the level 10-20 casters that run around with death magic pk'n melee characters... by level 40 that's not going to work.

D00D · Post by **D00D** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:25 pm

Heh.... but Druids get a DC 100 Entangle spell with vine mine

But then that means nothing cos we all know druids suck

Anyway, the point of the game is not PVP as you put it (as in player vs player) but rather party vs party. Them melee folks gonna knock you down? Druids can cast vine mine, and get the rest of your party to kill them enemies. Seriously folks, the NS3 mentality isn't gonna work here

There are counters to every build and there is no uber build as we know it. Simple tactics such as vine mine, followed by darkness/ultravision combo does wonders

Remember, if they can't hurt you if they can't see you. Displacement or improved invis should wreck the would be melee'er's hope of killing you.

EvanFallen · Post by **EvanFallen** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:41 pm

Druids suck? I have a dwarven druid that is a caster build with

14 strength
10 dex
16 constitution
16 wisdom
14 intelligence
6 charisma

My attribute points are going for wisdom so I can get more spells. In truth, while druids may not have the magnitude of melee boosting spells like clerics, or the many and powerful offensive spells of mages, they are a mix in between. Unlike mages, they can get into melee combat, unlike clerics, they can 'tame' wild animals and druids have their own pets as well as pet boosting spells.

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:42 pm

EvanFallen wrote:they can get into melee combat, unlike clerics, they can 'tame' wild animals and druids have their own pets as well as pet boosting spells.

Cleric vs druid: First round: Cleric casts Banish Druid casts whatever he wants.
gf.

Tame wild animals. Highest CR seen is grizly bear CR 9. Thank you and I bid you good day.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:55 pm

Make your character 19cleric/20shifter/1rogue(max tumble)
I made that and had all but 2 quickslots used for buffs

Fironus · Post by **Fironus** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:44 pm

Mages can also cast greater shadow web with a dc of 127....makes it a tad harder to knock you down if they cant get to you.

DrakhanValane · Post by **DrakhanValane** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:59 pm

JesterOI wrote:Make your character 19cleric/20shifter/1rogue(max tumble)
I made that and had all but 2 quickslots used for buffs :shock:

Uh, what game are you playing? You need druid for shifter and rogue isn't available for TC.