Characters Logging out during PvP

Evolving_AI · Post by **Evolving_AI** » Sat May 22, 2004 12:23 am

Alexiagold wrote: Ras, well on Ras I've likely got 200 or more SS of him breaking server rules and being a jack ***. But Ras donated $100 to NS.

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jealous?

Knightwing4 · Post by **Knightwing4** » Sat May 22, 2004 1:51 am

question, is it legal to log to avoid dieing to an exploit (like when some creatures cast the 100 DC web, which doesn't allow you to cast/protect yourself)

Nemesis Revised · Post by **Nemesis Revised** » Sat May 22, 2004 2:20 am

I think pking is somewhat wrong, but you have to kill when you are under attack. I'm the fella that killed you Rasputin and I did it coz you were attacking my faction. There's no such thing as 'just because i'm a lot higher' doesnt mean i cant defend my faction. If a low level can't defend against invaders(because he/she is helpless), are you telling me that high levelers shouldn't defend as well? That's twisted logic.

junksta · Post by **junksta** » Sat May 22, 2004 4:21 am

Defending their own faction is prefectly fine
but I was in SL with ras killin SL guards and well i died outside the temple, had a few too many on me

this one wizard from MA faction i believe came up raised me
now sure that might have been considered a descent act but this person did that to me deliberatly because i was surrounded by about 4 drow guards and 2 high priests

they used a raise dead scroll which means i have 1 hp
and did it deliberatly so the guards would kill me and when ressed or raised i would take a penalty

so yes i logged out
i wasnt going to accept that bullshit, i wasnt gunna take a penalty cause someone thought it would be fun to watch me die with 1 hp to a bunch of guards and lose xp

as for aasimars taking a penalty in pvp, they dont anymore, im aasimar and have been killed countless times in pvp with no penalty, so thats no longer a problem

but what happened to me, This i think shouold be dealt with, this i believe is another form of griefing,

DrakhanValane · Post by **DrakhanValane** » Sat May 22, 2004 4:26 am

Only clerics can use resurrection scrolls (and those with UMD), so a wizard has to use a raise dead to revive you.

junksta · Post by **junksta** » Sat May 22, 2004 4:38 am

i think u misunderstood DV
the caster was MA faction IE allied with SL, i'd have preferred if he had just left me dead, my friend had just crashed and would have returned and killed the people surrounding me then ressed me himself

this casters act was malicious and he intended for the guards to kill me again so i would take the penalty
he wasnt trying to help me

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sat May 22, 2004 5:04 am

Alexiagold wrote:Herm, yes well I've always been fighting for the defense of those players who couldn't defend themselves. I just don't go around tooting my own horn, or for that matter insist upon those who I help to make posts about it. I'm not a griefer, never have been. The only reason that I'm still commonly labeled as one is because I don't make posts like this all the time, I don't try and drown out the actual griefers. For example since I'm in a rare mood, Ayran routinely used racist remarks, pked lowbies, and other things which I took SS of incase I got bored one day, like today. Ras, well on Ras I've likely got 200 or more SS of him breaking server rules and being a jack ***. But Ras donated $100 to NS.

As far as I know, the only people who have called me a griefer are those who have been griefers and I've stopped from continueing to grief others. Apparently some people also failed to understand that NS4 initially (as in on release) directly told players if you read the documentation to slaughter on sight all hostile faction players. Only after the obvious lowbie vs high level player issue came up did the rules change. I don't believe I am or ever was a griefer because I used to play DAoC, which has a faction system and often lowbies were killed in RvR. So basically I was used to that mindset, something few NS4 players brought to NS4.

Which, of course, explains camping Wastes of Angmar zone triggers invisible & casting maxed Firebrands on level 5ish characters as they zone in.

Wouldn't want them griefing those poor formians, would we?

Firkraag · Post by **Firkraag** » Sat May 22, 2004 12:53 pm

Axon Said

Since you seem desperate to keep hitting on me, let me tell you three things: 1 Alta doesn't allow boarders 2 I still have a SS of you calling me a little **** and telling me that I'd better pray you never meet me in RL 3 You made a post in an attempt to get me banned.

YAh I know Alta has no Boarders, but Brighton allows them and since you are close to my daughters age she might listen to you. And as far as hitting on you, WELL your way to young..... And would never hit on you.

Now as far as PKing goes Axon you do, do it to the point of harrassment. That is the reason I went to the DMs, and said those names. Which the name calling was wrong and will not come out of my keyboard again. But this topic is ridiculous the killed whine about being killed all the time and now the PKer is whining. Call me confused... You get nothing from pking, no drops, no exps, no nothing. So IMHO why do it.. And you lose nothing, cept if Sub-Race but you chose that race because of it pluses and never thought of its downfalls. Now if this logging is used against Bosses it is an exploit because you are fighting that boss to gain power. And logging to avoid death is cheating.

But logging to avoid harrassment, is the same as a Wizzy zoning and throwing up an IGMs while the other is in COmbat, and than zoning back out. So if you log to avoid pk is the same as running away how is that exploit the PKer gets nothing if he/she kills them and the hunted loses out on play time and the xps. So where is the problem?

Now I know I have complained on this subject before and came to realize that this is beta and the DEV need more input on crashes and the such. Not petty pk issues. This will all work out when the MOD goes open. As they have said it before "ITs just Beta" our vaults are going to be wiped and your going to have to do all over in the open MOD. And at that time DMs will be on to deal with harrassment issues....

Chimaira · Post by **Chimaira** » Sat May 22, 2004 7:35 pm

djshale wrote:First let me just say that my experience with PvP is very limited, just so you know a little about where Im coming from.

A possible problem of adding penalties at log-on is the PvM consequences. Considering the current stability of the server this would seem a bit dangerous. I personally have been disconnected in the middle of a large fight, if I reconnect Im not only surrounded, but some of those I already killed would have respawned. Respawning with a fraction of your life in the middle of freshly spawned mob of equal level to you is practically a guaranteed death, even worse if you depend on spells and your spell books are empty.

Then again maybe the stability problem is just me. I have lots of bandwith but I have quite a high ping due to the actual distance from the server, I live in the Philippines, one bad lag spike and I could be timed out, maybe I get disconnected more than most people. If stability was not a problem then this kind of a solution would be ok, it would be up to the player to make sure he logs out at a safe location.

But back to PvP, what do you guys think about logging off to avoid a fight and not in the middle of one. Say for example you come across a high level who obviously wants to kill you and you dont want to waist anytime walking all the way back, so you log out then log back in when you think its safe. Do you think this is also bad form.

Logging has always been a problem, and who does the dev team of just about any server have to thank for this? *drumroll* *spotlight* BIOWARE!!!!!!!

And even tho they claim NWN was never supposed to be a PW game, there are 2 types of games when picking a server called PW Action and PW story(yes its funny)...

You cant really make it fair on the case of the spellbook for casters, its either empty or its not.
BUT you CAN save what health the character has, dont know how but Ive seen on many servers that its possible.

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Sat May 22, 2004 7:40 pm

I think what bioware needs to realize is that many people might've bought the game for singleplayer, but they made a huge deal about the toolset and its ability to create new modules, and this has lead to a great deal of online play, much of which is in pw's.
But saving spells should work as well, i can almost swear i've seen it work in other modules.

Chimaira · Post by **Chimaira** » Sat May 22, 2004 8:08 pm

Firkraag wrote:Axon Said
Since you seem desperate to keep hitting on me, let me tell you three things: 1 Alta doesn't allow boarders 2 I still have a SS of you calling me a little **** and telling me that I'd better pray you never meet me in RL 3 You made a post in an attempt to get me banned.
YAh I know Alta has no Boarders, but Brighton allows them and since you are close to my daughters age she might listen to you. And as far as hitting on you, WELL your way to young..... And would never hit on you.

Now as far as PKing goes Axon you do, do it to the point of harrassment. That is the reason I went to the DMs, and said those names. Which the name calling was wrong and will not come out of my keyboard again. But this topic is ridiculous the killed whine about being killed all the time and now the PKer is whining. Call me confused... You get nothing from pking, no drops, no exps, no nothing. So IMHO why do it.. And you lose nothing, cept if Sub-Race but you chose that race because of it pluses and never thought of its downfalls. Now if this logging is used against Bosses it is an exploit because you are fighting that boss to gain power. And logging to avoid death is cheating.

But logging to avoid harrassment, is the same as a Wizzy zoning and throwing up an IGMs while the other is in COmbat, and than zoning back out. So if you log to avoid pk is the same as running away how is that exploit the PKer gets nothing if he/she kills them and the hunted loses out on play time and the xps. So where is the problem?

Now I know I have complained on this subject before and came to realize that this is beta and the DEV need more input on crashes and the such. Not petty pk issues. This will all work out when the MOD goes open. As they have said it before "ITs just Beta" our vaults are going to be wiped and your going to have to do all over in the open MOD. And at that time DMs will be on to deal with harrassment issues....

Geez how old are you firk?

Well I have to say your not right on the "griefing" issue tho.
Altho I simply love to hit on axon, I have to say shes no griefer.
Go play on dex and youll know what real griefing is, as soon as you step into full pvp theres a pretty nice chance youll get bigbied and then PPed. And its ILLEGAL there to log when bigbied and being PPed, and its ALSO illegal to log to avoid PKing from another player, and you ALWAYS get an XP penalty there. Its a PvP server, some only PvP when attacked, others only attack those when not attacked by monsters and at a similar level, and others just PK everyone. Just like NS even tho the community is more honourable, you cant expect to justify exploiting just because someone else does what the devs are basicly encouraging, which is PvP.
Logging off in a PW world is exploiting, plain and simple. This is because the game isnt meant for PW worlds(well actually bioware was too bloody lazy to actually put some thought in how to counter exploiting)
Id say logging is low and should never be tolerated. Its no fun to be in a pvp world where everyone just logs off when they run into someone that can kill them.

Post by **Lokey** » Sat May 22, 2004 9:12 pm

Spell, hitpoints and so on are recorded when you logoff, there's just no way to access them from in game for us as yet. We're working on a solution that won't bankrupt the server cpu-wise, and Bio is looking into using this info at some point (probably not for 1.63).

I don't see much evidence that the log-outs complained about here aren't 100% intentional. If the game is unstable for you: Figure out why this is the case. I'd prefer to only have to worry about bugs on the server end, lol.

Mind your manners, and at least make an attempt to stay on topic.