debate on PvP and PvM

[mining]

Yeah, the tides ebb. That's the current situation of PVP at the moment. At the moment. If my statement is irrelivant, than so is your entire current position on PVP vs PVM. Things have changed from how they used to be and they will change again in the future.

I'll tell ya tho... tonights epic run to kill 3 bosses in the gith plane, 15 players in group, and even the on the 20th turn, players were still picking up epic gith gear and not IA. You may not like it, but those who participated enjoyed it very much and the payout was damn good for every single player, even those who rolled 8 or 9 for loot. Just imagine what the first 4 players grabbed The server isn't here to cater to you or your nostalgia, it's here by the grace of all the admins and host(s) for the current playerbase to enjoy. If you don't like that, I think you know how to uninstall the game.

If only this were the exception and not the rule. From my runs in Tuna it is MORE the rule, but overall it sucks to roll through the biggest areas of DE for example and come out with boss drops + IA galore.

It would be nice if the loot cutout IA for the highest planes. I would rather see nothing than IA

Gith guards even intentionally have IA gear on them

[Monkey]

No offense intended monkey, but a lot of times you were a party killer... as much as you would try to do parties.

A lot of times? Perhaps a few times I left a party when I felt one of the big-ego players was being too annoying or too much exploitation was going on and some others probably left after I did for similar reasons.

No doubt some veterans felt I was a big-ego type too. My first priority though was always to make the server fun for newbies because of my teacher/coaching instincts and because I like having more friends to play with/against.

[Ryddwillow]

You only need like 5 people to get most of the good gear in the game. 10 if you want to handle the really big stuff. 20 if you want to do it quickly, with suboptimal builds.

From experienced players calling out the bullcrap here. This statement is so full of crap and you know it. How long have you been at this server? Compared to me? I see sh$t flowing from you. Enjoy. You are so full of sh&t and you know it, you sound like Apokriphos.

Wow.

[Ryddwillow]

A lot of times? Perhaps a few times I left a party when I felt one of the big-ego players was being too annoying or too much exploitation was going on and some others probably left after I did for similar reasons.

No doubt some veterans felt I was a big-ego type too. My first priority though was always to make the server fun for newbies because of my teacher/coaching instincts and because I like having more friends to play with/against.

You try and it is understandable, from my point of view. If it took 5 ppl to acquire good gear within 1 guild or city or 2 cities then maybe it would be a good start to a pvp server.

[mining]

You only need like 5 people to get most of the good gear in the game. 10 if you want to handle the really big stuff. 20 if you want to do it quickly, with suboptimal builds.

From experienced players calling out the bullcrap here. This statement is so full of crap and you know it. How long have you been at this server? Compared to me? I see sh$t flowing from you. Enjoy. You are so full of sh&t and you know it, you sound like Apokriphos.

Wow.

Yeah, because I totally didn't run planes / gear out my own characters.

I know for a fact that most of DE can be run with 3-4 people (or duoed, or soloed), and even the tunarath main maps can be handled with 6 or 7. Its only when you're going for the tunarath bosses that you need to pile people into it.

Most of the abyss/celestia can be solo'd, bosses can be done with like 10, anything below that can comfortably be 2-manned.

[Korr]

Yeah, because I totally didn't run planes / gear out my own characters.

I know for a fact that most of DE can be run with 3-4 people (or duoed, or soloed), and even the tunarath main maps can be handled with 6 or 7. Its only when you're going for the tunarath bosses that you need to pile people into it.

Most of the abyss/celestia can be solo'd, bosses can be done with like 10, anything below that can comfortably be 2-manned.

The right toons with the right gear you can chop most of your numbers in half (round up) would be my guess.

[mining]

Yeah, because I totally didn't run planes / gear out my own characters.

I know for a fact that most of DE can be run with 3-4 people (or duoed, or soloed), and even the tunarath main maps can be handled with 6 or 7. Its only when you're going for the tunarath bosses that you need to pile people into it.

Most of the abyss/celestia can be solo'd, bosses can be done with like 10, anything below that can comfortably be 2-manned.

The right toons with the right gear you can chop most of your numbers in half (round up) would be my guess.

Yes, with special purpose toons you can definitely 3 man tunarath, especially the city maps.

[cross0001]

Most of the abyss/celestia can be solo'd, bosses can be done with like 10, anything below that can comfortably be 2-manned.

some toons only can solo particular mob in abyss/celesita. but you cant clear maps by 1 toon.

PM/WIZ/BARD (the best toon to solo abyss) can solo many mobs of abyss (even abyss fiend if you have enough kits )but cant solo Succubus.

celestia is harder than abyss because only 4 mobs can be solo'd. (avenger ,hound, shining ball and trumpet if you can stand till she is out of spell) in most time you have to reset map reset map reset map...

btw: why you put so many best mobs in celesita?
angle:the best archer in NS4
(DMight 75AB 73 ac.)

archangle:the best melee mob in NS4 except some bosses
(75AB 68AC,KD feat with 250 DIV damage. in fact ,archangle can do horrible damage per round only less than G1,Demogorgon,Prince Talisid and Pelor. KD and attack you 2 rounds, Sigh.....)

trumpet archon:the best SOR in NS4 except some bosses
(she can use the trumpet do 200 sonic damage which is unlimited...so can DM give the trumpet an unlimited spell Horizikaul's Boom when we get it? lol)


sometimes we wiped in cele-lord room like this.
trumpet HB: we were all kded 1 round. ....
archangle come and KD:we were all kded 2 rounds..
after 3 rounds:we were all dead(or someone is lucky to survive)....

[dethonlegs]

PM/WIZ/BARD (the best toon to solo abyss) can solo many mobs of abyss (even abyss fiend if you have enough kits )but cant solo Succubus.

This build certainly can solo Succubus. I've spent months doing it. Was it worth it? Nope.

PS: You need to get the right mobs to spawn with them.

[cross0001]

This build certainly can solo Succubus. I've spent months doing it. Was it worth it? Nope.

PS: You need to get the right mobs to spawn with them.

how can you get 53 will without any buff?

Succubus can charm you , DC =41~50.

[dethonlegs]

This build certainly can solo Succubus. I've spent months doing it. Was it worth it? Nope.

PS: You need to get the right mobs to spawn with them.

how can you get 53 will without any buff?

Succubus can charm you , DC =41~50.

You cant. A few things:

* Avoid their gaze attack. You can tell when its going to happen, so either have them use it on the summon (the best approach) or try to step out of range as they cast (a 50/50 proposition)
* If you do get dominated, then you may get lucky and survive. 1000HP and fire resists help here.
* It's also quite easy to abuse the game engine and snag them between your summon and the central fountains - not that I would endorse that sort of thing.

I've only ever found 3 succubus robes and have given them all away. Given how long it takes, and how average they are, your better off finding something else to do.

[Ryddwillow]

This conversation is lol, here the great NS4 server, since 2004, the great PVP server talking about a few scraps of some gear. Change your demeanor to PVM and be done with me.