Dishonored: Zicunicon Zenthendt

[Ryddwillow]

If you dont like how someone pvp's then dont get involved in pvp with them. Let them take your relics. Then it cant bother you right?

Seriously, And this is a do as I say but not as i do reel? Really? You as a long time player here are going to let a toon steal your relics? Such a joke response.

[Bargeld]

Clerics have a better ab then a pure Fighter,barb, DWD, not as many hit points

No they don't.

Pure fighter token gives +5 ab. Div Power brings the clc to a fighter's BAB (+5ab). Favor is +3, ava is +3, haste is +1 (at the cost of a cleric domain, which most take). Cleric is +2 over a fighter at this point. Both get 14 base feats. Fighter gets 11 bonus pre-epic feats, 10 bonus epic, net 35 feats overall. Clc has no bonus pre-epic feats and 6 bonus epic, net 20 feats. A fighter gets 15 feats MORE than a cleric, for great str/dex as well as prowess, weapon focus for multiple weapons, epic focus for the same, specialization/epic spec.

In the end, the fighter has a much higher AB then the cleric, and only +5 from the token counts towards the 20 cap. Fighter AB cannot be dispelled. Fighter AB does not need to be refreshed with casting every 10/20 rounds, the clc will lose 1 or 2 rounds of damage output or will be -8 ab and have a limited amount of those buffs. The fighter using a +8 weapon can gain the full benefit of ava +3 ab and bardsong up to +4 ab (+5 token, +8 weapon, +3 ava, +4 bardsong = 20 ab cap.) The cleric using a +8 weapon can receive NO additional buffs for AB, they are already self capped (+8 weapon, +3 ava, +3 favor, +5 power, +1 haste = 20 ab cap). At this point the fighter is +7 ab over the cleric, + the difference in focus feats, + the difference in great str/dex feats.

If you truly believe that a cleric has a better AB then a fighter, you are _insert generic insult here_. If you understand the concept I just explained, then you were simply spouting a bunch of crap to make it seem like you had a valid point, when in fact, you already knew it was a lie. Either way, you lose the discussion on this topic.

So far, the only thing you said that had any validity is your response to Jebbo, stating that no veteran player is just going to give up their relics. That is 100% true.

[Korr]

So basically you said the fighter gets a little more AB, and the cleric gets 10 heal spells...


Who wins that battle?!?!

[Bargeld]

The fighter with KD feat and the KD token with a halberd, hflail, greatsword, or scythe and who can beat concentration checks pretty easily and burn most of those heal attempts.

[mining]

Having played and observed a lot of cleric... cleric is nuts. But - caster cleric + melee is nuts-er. I've said this a bunch of times - in lower population, cleric is over-represented, because it can take a bunch of roles (cleric + melee, cleric + ranged, etc.)

[Lokey]

I hit mining's cler in the face for 300 and he still got the gr restore off with no points in conc

KD isn't really going to help without true strike (unless built/equipped for suicide--and it doesn't need high end gear), and even then it just gives you more ab.

[Bargeld]

Well i forgot to mention (based on the arguments on this thread) that the fighter carries and uses 500 heal kits. Now who wins?

[Korr]

Well i forgot to mention (based on the arguments on this thread) that the fighter carries and uses 500 heal kits. Now who wins?

Cleric.


HellBall
2x Harms (1st round KD)
swing swing (2nd round KD)
+ Solar/Balor/Slaad will hit the pure fighter easily

[Ryddwillow]

No they don't.

Pure fighter token gives +5 ab. Div Power brings the clc to a fighter's BAB (+5ab). Favor is +3, ava is +3, haste is +1 (at the cost of a cleric domain, which most take). Cleric is +2 over a fighter at this point. Both get 14 base feats. Fighter gets 11 bonus pre-epic feats, 10 bonus epic, net 35 feats overall. Clc has no bonus pre-epic feats and 6 bonus epic, net 20 feats. A fighter gets 15 feats MORE than a cleric, for great str/dex as well as prowess, weapon focus for multiple weapons, epic focus for the same, specialization/epic spec.

In the end, the fighter has a much higher AB then the cleric, and only +5 from the token counts towards the 20 cap. Fighter AB cannot be dispelled. Fighter AB does not need to be refreshed with casting every 10/20 rounds, the clc will lose 1 or 2 rounds of damage output or will be -8 ab and have a limited amount of those buffs. The fighter using a +8 weapon can gain the full benefit of ava +3 ab and bardsong up to +4 ab (+5 token, +8 weapon, +3 ava, +4 bardsong = 20 ab cap.) The cleric using a +8 weapon can receive NO additional buffs for AB, they are already self capped (+8 weapon, +3 ava, +3 favor, +5 power, +1 haste = 20 ab cap). At this point the fighter is +7 ab over the cleric, + the difference in focus feats, + the difference in great str/dex feats.

If you truly believe that a cleric has a better AB then a fighter, you are _insert generic insult here_. If you understand the concept I just explained, then you were simply spouting a bunch of crap to make it seem like you had a valid point, when in fact, you already knew it was a lie. Either way, you lose the discussion on this topic.

So far, the only thing you said that had any validity is your response to Jebbo, stating that no veteran player is just going to give up their relics. That is 100% true.

Really mathematical equations? Seriously? No disrespect but all that is garbage here on a true PVP server, did you not know this? So a pure fighter, mighty proud of his plus 8 weapon and all his crap, ya crap. He defends his turf and a cleric melee toon comes in (happened to me btw) and they fight. Fighter uses token and gets free hits and next thing cleric uses heal spells, so I swing away and he has more enchantments on his weapon and I using my heal kits can only heal so fast. NOW when I face a Cleric monk I am done because I can not regenerate the heal points between the stuns.

I mean I listened to you and lawyers and who ever else came in my path, I just smile (Fake) Welcome to NS4, enjoy your stay.

[Blystos Re]

[Ryddwillow]

Zicunicon Zenthendt just keep playing your game as you wish. Ignore the insults from other players. I am hated mostly on this server but respected and I play the game as it was intended to play. The lawyers here seem to think they can direct you in the way you play. Just pk the crap out of the noobs here and DM's will love ya, peace.

[Lokey]

Rydd's right there, he's the only one staring at a respawn screen every 30 seconds.

[Ryddwillow]

Rydd's right there, he's the only one staring at a respawn screen every 30 seconds

Hmm, I just smile and say thank you for that awesome reply. We that have grunted ourselves to lvl 40 many a times in this game, welcome your comment, me personally found no offense in that comment. For ppl here that build a true lvl 40 toon and play it day by day and get our reward is satisfaction enough. For someone that builds a toon from 0 - 40 in 10 mins there is no reward. Never will be and never. You truly mocked me Lokey, yes you did. I must say that is a false statement, for all the ppl that we're with me and against me know this isn't true for when my identity was reveled, I was first to try to pk. You can truly ask around, it might befit you.


I am truly sorry for misreading your response. I made a mistake in judging your character. So, if you know my identity you will pk me every 30 seconds? Hmm.

Of course this Isn't a doink server right?

And of course in my lifetime here, I experienced the insta kill button many a times.

I call it how I see it, experience it, live it and love it. You, no clue.