Assassin Love

[Jmana]

I think what they are getting at is increasing saves by10 but also increasing dc's by10 except for stun fist. Well thats what i got from the idea otherwise bumping ppls saves by 10 will make assassin completely obsolete oh and barb roar too.

[mining]

We are reworking everything - if we haven't though of it, it's the RK job token

[Daral0085]

Construct Shape = Best Dev Crit DC.

Finally, a shifter build that people are going to be afraid of again

Dangit Rufio, don't give away our imba secret build before they make the changes!

[Mixtli]

Even with bumping ability, job token, or trap DCs equivalently, bumping saves by 10 will hurt some builds a lot. For instance, i have a "stunner" (Dragon) that naturally, isn't only stun oriented. Something like DC48. Nothing great, but it can be very useful at times. Making that DC 38 instead of 48 makes it.. well... funny.

A dedicated stunner will still be able to use stun in pvp, while those that built in a way to have stun as an option in pvp (up to DC 52-53) will loose that option completely.

I can live with it, not a first nerf, tough i preferred the option to limit the number of ISF feats one can take.

[mining]

Well, consider that DC 48 stun ~= DC 56 spells atm ~= DC 46 after rebalance ASSUMING +10 to everything. It might end up +7 is a nicer number, or whatever - in which case you're still up on imploders/BBoDers.

[Daltian]

One thing that worries me about all this is that in order to fix one thing that is broken, you will rework everything else. I am not complaining but it seams like an awfull lot of work just to fix one thing. But as long as it's not me doing the work. Rock on!

[mining]

One thing that worries me about all this is that in order to fix one thing that is broken, you will rework everything else. I am not complaining but it seams like an awfull lot of work just to fix one thing. But as long as it's not me doing the work. Rock on!

Spell DCs are arguably slightly low as well, given the proliferation of saves gear - it also lets us rework assassin death attack, dev crit, everything.

[mining]

One thing that worries me about all this is that in order to fix one thing that is broken, you will rework everything else. I am not complaining but it seams like an awfull lot of work just to fix one thing. But as long as it's not me doing the work. Rock on!

Spell DCs are arguably slightly low as well, given the proliferation of saves gear - it also lets us rework assassin death attack, dev crit, everything. (we also have a chance to centralize everything and make our own DC scripts)

Anyway, as this seems to be the place:

What would you want out of a custom scripted assassin death attack?

[Nocturne]

Make the DC based off of Dex

[hond]

Perhaps making a special DC bump for lvl 30 assassin, as you will have a toon with horible saves and disc...

[Daltian]

But since assassin is already very strong 1 on 1. Wouldn't strenghtening it further make it way to powerfull in those situations? While I don't mind making assassin more usefull in group combat we don't want to buff it so much it becomes impossible to fight it 1 on 1. Right now we have stunning fost that will gets its DC lowered to managable 53-54 DC. And while current state of stun is chainable and in many situations fight id over once stun is landed, having insta kill of DC higher then that (if we buff it) seams a bit over the top.

In my opinion it should be easier for assassin to land the atack and contidions of it less restrictive, but don't make DC so high that whoever goes to raid SL needs to make insane fort save characters.

[mining]

In my opinion it should be easier for assassin to land the atack and contidions of it less restrictive, but don't make DC so high that whoever goes to raid SL needs to make insane fort save characters.

DC is already reasonably high, so yeah - I'm looking for effects as opposed to DCs .

[Bargeld]

Bonuses for bow, para attack is awesome ranged in dark.
A custom way to ranged slow enemies with a decent DC maybe. Could be mixed with/as bow bonus. Can't keep the enemy 'in battle'. It has to be something to launch, then wait for their music to subside, then try a ranged attack for para. (At least that's the combo I am imagining using).
Dispel/Mord abilities /day. Needs to help surviving vs spotters and dispelling Fom and UV tokens/items. Multiple uses /day for sure.
True Sight source /day.
Spot boost, the common sin build caps at about 113, so needs to be a class/non-stacking thing.

The ethereal is amazing as-is imo. The only thing that kills you is a patient stun fister. More duration would be nice, but i like that it's reserved for pure. Maybe bump it to 3 round, so you can escape even the most relentless foe.

[mining]

Ok, I'm gonna just commandeer this thread:

What would you like to happen when you death attack someone?

We're going to be giving everyone paralyze immunity, then adding an on hit to Assassin.

What would you want on it? (in lieu of anything else it's just going to be stunned for 1 second per 'sin level or something, lol)

[Daral0085]

(in lieu of anything else it's just going to be stunned for 1 second per 'sin level or something, lol)

20-30 second stun still insane, but definitely better than 20-30 minutes.