Thank you to our new dev

[mining]

All good and dandy, but lets see, how long is that pure mage gonna be alive?
yeah, about 3 seconds, thats the issue, the ONLY way to have a 1/2 decent survivable mage is to cross class it
pure mages have no chance whatsoever of surviving
all these stats sound nice sure, but the mage might get 1 shot off, then he's dead
I've been all day thinking to myself
what would i log to defend against a high ac toon?
what could i make?
the answer: absolutely nothing
18 40's and everyone of them now nerfed to a point i couldnt defend against a high AC toon
or raid a faction that has them
thats completely bullshit
and Tep, i honestly am surprised you even signed off on this
but thats your decision
this is suppose to be player vs player, we are suppose to have a chance of killing each other
this nerf was a very bad answer period

Peace out
Mamba...

My job isn't to tell you how to make builds that deal with high AC toons or make them. Bigby wasn't even a counter to high AC toons in a way it isn't now...

[BlkMamba]

All good and dandy, but lets see, how long is that pure mage gonna be alive?
yeah, about 3 seconds, thats the issue, the ONLY way to have a 1/2 decent survivable mage is to cross class it
pure mages have no chance whatsoever of surviving
all these stats sound nice sure, but the mage might get 1 shot off, then he's dead
I've been all day thinking to myself
what would i log to defend against a high ac toon?
what could i make?
the answer: absolutely nothing
18 40's and everyone of them now nerfed to a point i couldnt defend against a high AC toon
or raid a faction that has them
thats completely bullshit
and Tep, i honestly am surprised you even signed off on this
but thats your decision
this is suppose to be player vs player, we are suppose to have a chance of killing each other
this nerf was a very bad answer period

Peace out
Mamba...

My job isn't to tell you how to make builds that deal with high AC toons or make them. Bigby wasn't even a counter to high AC toons in a way it isn't now...

yeah it was, now no it isnt
not sure exactly what server you been on, but i thought it was this one

[Rufio]

Couldn't you just beat a high ac toon with igms just like before?

[mining]

How did any of the old bigbies touch high AC toons? Bigby 9 wouldn't hit them, and bigby 7 was an 'iffy' slow + -4 AC. You have that 100% with new bigby 7, or can no save slaughter their AC's with 9.

And yes Rufio is correct.

An optimal 35/5 mage gets -8 AB, -4 AC, 35 + 23 + d20 vs 40 + mod + d20 pull + slow, 35d8 + pushback etc. on 65 AB roll, and a 1/3 spell failure spell.

Thats far more than its previous options... I really don't see why you guys are seeing this as a nerf - you can wreck lots of toons with new bigbies as opposed to those without AC and those without FoM before.

what would i log to defend against a high ac toon?
what could i make?
the answer: absolutely nothing
18 40's and everyone of them now nerfed to a point i couldnt defend against a high AC toon

Bigby 7 will drag the silly dexxer back into the cradle + slow them over and over and over. Mages have a better way of dealing with high AC dexxers than ever before by stopping them from running 100% of the time as opposed to based on a roll vs tumble. Or bigby 5 and kill their AB. Or 9 them and knock their AC down.

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[Lokey]

I remember when I could nerf one aspect of a spell and have 15 pages of vitriol within 24 hours

[frogofpeace]

Sounds like a challenge - how much time is left?

[Eldaquen]

First off, I logged in my wizard to see how things faired with the new changes. My first impression was that level 9, level 8, and level 7 bigbies duration was to short. Level 6 I have not explored much yet, but initial reaction was wow that is going to be an affective spell.

Second, I was not pleased with the old bigbies and voiced my dissatisfaction in game regarding it whenever faced a mage or sorc. The duration of old level 9 bigbies was to long and was a "I win" button. I thought the duration could have been toned down, perhaps a no duration as an instant affect lasting x rounds instead of how long it used to last (something akin to how the current stonehold works).

I agree NS4 is supposed to be a player vs player server which we are supposed to have a chance of killing each other. Old level 9 bigbies did not allow that and if you look at how it worked objectively I think you'd agree old level 9 was overpowered. Out of all my builds only 2 had a chance at suceeding that save, they are a monk and a pure cleric.

With the new, I believe for one the duration on lvl 7, and 9 should be extended. Level 9 seems to need more effects since it is a level 9 spell; as being such should represent the pinicle of the wizard/sorc understanding of arcane magic. Perhaps add to the level 9 bigbies a speed penalty for example: speed decrease 10% if caster has no focus, 15% if focused, 20% if greater and 25% if epic in evocation. Since level 9 bigbies can not be extended this spell should in my humble opinion receive the greatest duration increase.

Thank you for taking the time to review and update the server. As I face arcane magic more than I use it, am looking forward to see how encounters fair in the future (pvm as well as pvp).

[neil420]

I remember when I could nerf one aspect of a spell and have 15 pages of vitriol within 24 hours

Yes and that attitude and all the nurfing is way the player base is down to the point there are only three or four.

[mining]

I remember when I could nerf one aspect of a spell and have 15 pages of vitriol within 24 hours

Yes and that attitude and all the nurfing is way the player base is down to the point there are only three or four.

I think its notable that MASL = "Ok we'll look at this bigby" when they're the 'heavy caster' faction as such.

AORK on the other hand is "Oh wow, you just killed all of our mages and also all of my other toons and oh wow everything else that we've ever played"

[Nyeleni]

It has a lot to do with attitude. That is why I am restraining of answering directly to most of the unconstructive criticism. I'm still laughing about using the old bigby lvl9 against dexxers. But to each their own.

Addendum: But it is true too, that sorcerers are hit hard by these changes. And Sleeth can only spit out sorcerers? What about if you make lvl7 and 9 conjuration again. Or if you want evocation, add conjuration to it if possible?

[BlkMamba]

Reasons i'm not ok with this:

A: our PrC has alway's been completely garbage in pvp, so, since we cant use melee to kill anything, we use our mages

B: now our mages are garbage, and now i'm gonna get some moron saying "well this is a team server"

C: so mr cot or shifter by himself runs into rk and grab, well, this is just awesome, since we have basically no way
to keep them from being right on top of the mage, we can pull him right on top of the mage, but, then the mage
but thats like a death wish.

If SL boys are happy with this, well you all enjoy fighting each other
Me, naw, i'm here to kill people not just roll over
And its pretty much just down to that so why bother

Have fun
Mamba...

[Nyeleni]

And that is the main attitude problem: MA/SL and NC/TC payers tend to be a bit more open minded about fighting each other. While there are some (not to say too many) in AO/RK who just want to "pwn" the others (this is mostly due to a lot of resentment coming from times when a few still were of a guild with "too many homes or none" among a lot of other things, and others were still in the infamous guild of Garagoth, which shall not be named here, passing through LA which got hit by the ban too of course... It is all aimed at you in the long run, PWND players ). As I said it before and I know it will only be met by deaf ears, this game isn't about who kills the most players, it's about having fun.

If you can only have fun by pvp and not like to loose, ever, then you have a serious problem...

[Daltian]

I like the bigsby change, it's still unpolished but shows a lot of promise once devs finally polish it. I am a bit perplexed by the fact the spell school is changed and maybe that could have been avoided but when I think about it it might actually be a good thing for future bigsby builds since now you only need one spell school for them to work. It does break a lot of current builds but thats what changes are like in NS4. It happened to shifters, RDD's, PM's,.....
We all have a lot of broken builds on our accounts, but NS4 needs to evolve or it would become boring.

[BlkMamba]

And that is the main attitude problem: MA/SL and NC/TC payers tend to be a bit more open minded about fighting each other. While there are some (not to say too many) in AO/RK who just want to "pwn" the others (this is mostly due to a lot of resentment coming from times when a few still were of a guild with "too many homes or none" among a lot of other things, and others were still in the infamous guild of Garagoth, which shall not be named here, passing through LA which got hit by the ban too of course... It is all aimed at you in the long run, PWND players ). As I said it before and I know it will only be met by deaf ears, this game isn't about who kills the most players, it's about having fun.

If you can only have fun by pvp and not like to loose, ever, then you have a serious problem...

I enjoy comeing on, fighting, talking some trash, haveing some good laughs, sometimes i win, sometimes not
either way i alway's say that it was fun, which it is
but after everything in the faction includeing its jobs been nerfed, and yet other stuff that truely needs nerfed
is still running around completely broke,
take your its good for me and not for you attitude, and shove it straight up your...i'll stop there
if you wanted me to leave, should have said, Mamba. get there hell out of here
i would have thrown ya a middle finger, and went about my marry way
when the 1st changes came into effect, i honestly thought they just changed the other bigbies
even thought about de-lvling my sorc to redo the spell list, after seeing the effects of the current
and seeing what my wiz does,
not gonna waste my time
18 40's nerfed, everyone, and i cant even dual log, lvl'd each one by itself
now its to a point 1 on 1 i cant compete with any of the prc's
what a line of crap

anyhow like i said, enjoy, i'm not argueing this any longer
you all got exactly what you wanted

Good Luck and Take Care, its been a blast
Mamba..

[Finnoker]

I remember when I could nerf one aspect of a spell and have 15 pages of vitriol within 24 hours

Yes and that attitude and all the nurfing is way the player base is down to the point there are only three or four.

I think its notable that MASL = "Ok we'll look at this bigby" when they're the 'heavy caster' faction as such.

AORK on the other hand is "Oh wow, you just killed all of our mages and also all of my other toons and oh wow everything else that we've ever played"

Ok sounds weird..

Change it back to Con focus. i cant really try the new BB before that and compare with the old..

So my lvling time atleast is not wasted on a focus i dont need (Without BB)