Pally abilities

[BlkMamba]

that could be said about every class thou, which is why they need to stay right where there at
i have a pure pally, and a few cross classers, i use the cross classers more than anything

and no, the pally isnt as good as a tank as my dwd, but my dwd is a PrC unique to my faction
my pally is actually a better tank than my fighter or barb for that matter

Mamba...

[Daltian]

Twiggy, when members of a faction that relies on paladin for PvP combat tell you in unison that paladin doesn't need a boost then you should take a hint and think of what you are doing wrong and improve it. The fact that your paladin is mediocre at best could be due to fact you need to learn to build better, or maybe just play better.

I do agree though that paladin needs ranged termonuclear strike to be complete, please add that!!!!

[Daltian]

Twiggy's post reminded me of this:

http://thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=55

[mining]

Paladin, dex based = get 18 charisma. Enjoy your, what, 74 AC, 70 AB? Something like that, with 700 odd HP and good solid saves. Then you have your 20% DI up, and immunity to KD that you can flash when a pure fighter trys to get up close and personal.

Then, for when you guys nearly wipe, blow Martyrdom and get everyone else up and swinging.

The short distance on biomord is pretty well required for balance - it means that your ubersmiter can't easily mord the haste on a caster if they're running.

My smiter will have a flat 65 AB, with 15 cha mod, with his weapon of choice, or 62 with anything else. He has 70 AC as well, so with a bard to haste him he'd not be a bad hitter.

ETA: Lol, xXenox, the next one is so true as well.

[Tsavong]

Twiggy reading your posts it looks like you went for a heavy cha smite build for your pally when what you seem to be hoping for was something more focused on meleeing.

Paladins don't need to go for 50 cha just to make use of there pure class tokens there is noting forcing a paladin build to focus on cha and sacrifice taking str or dex for AB. It may be worth your wile to make something with 18 cha so you can get a +10 cha mod then focusing on str AB and damage or dex for ab a bit more AC and blinding speed.

Just to clarify I am not saying smiter builds are bad but by the sounds if it a smiter might not be the sort of build you were hoping to get.

Also Mining 700 hp is probably a bit hight for a dex pally build you are probably looking at around 600 though with someone to con buff you and a solid bard song you might get close to 700.

[Twiggy]

I have 700 close to 800 hp on my pally...800 if buffed with con. i will post my build in a second. It's not a bad build. A few mistakes made when building, but other than that perfectly fine. besides the distance of bio mord and no haste or kdesque ability.

[mining]

For comparison.


Paladin(40), Drow

STR: 14
DEX: 20 (34)
CON: 12
WIS: 14
INT: 14
CHA: 18

Drow: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness)
01: Paladin(1): Weapon Finesse, Full Set of +2 books
02: Paladin(2): {Smite Evil}
03: Paladin(3): Power Attack
04: Paladin(4): DEX+1, (DEX=21)
05: Paladin(5)
06: Paladin(6): Divine Might
07: Paladin(7)
08: Paladin(8): DEX+1, (DEX=22)
09: Paladin(9): Divine Shield
10: Paladin(10)
11: Paladin(11)
12: Paladin(12): DEX+1, Blind Fight, (DEX=23)
13: Paladin(13)
14: Paladin(14)
15: Paladin(15): Weapon Focus: Rapier
16: Paladin(16): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
17: Paladin(17)
18: Paladin(18): Improved Critical: Rapier
19: Paladin(19)
20: Paladin(20): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
21: Paladin(21): Great dexterity I, (DEX=26)
22: Paladin(22)
23: Paladin(23): Armor Skin
24: Paladin(24): DEX+1, Great dexterity II, (DEX=28)
25: Paladin(25)
26: Paladin(26): Epic Weapon Focus: Rapier
27: Paladin(27): Blinding Speed
28: Paladin(28): DEX+1, (DEX=29)
29: Paladin(29): Epic Prowess
30: Paladin(30): Great dexterity III, (DEX=30)
31: Paladin(31)
32: Paladin(32): DEX+1, Epic Toughness I, (DEX=31)
33: Paladin(33): Great dexterity IV, (DEX=32)
34: Paladin(34)
35: Paladin(35): Epic Toughness II
36: Paladin(36): DEX+1, Knockdown, (DEX=33)
37: Paladin(37)
38: Paladin(38): Epic Toughness III
39: Paladin(39): Epic Skill Focus: Discipline
40: Paladin(40): DEX+1, (DEX=34)

Hitpoints: 500
Skillpoints: 172
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 27/22/32
Saving Throw bonuses: Mind Effects: +2
BAB: 30
AB (max, naked): 46 (melee), 43 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 28/31
Spell Casting: Paladin(4)
Alignment Changes: 0

Concentration 43(44), Discipline 43(55), Taunt 43(47), Tumble 21(33), remaining skillpoints 1

Saves are fine.

AB"
30 BAB
18 dex
04 feats
10 weapon
03 prayer
02 DM
03 DF
01 BS
+19
____
71 AB.

AC:
10 base
05 nat
05 def
04 tumble
02 AS
09 shield
06 armor
05 dodge
10 DS
02 BS
18 dex
____
76 AC.

500 base HP.

660 self HP.

740 party buffed HP.

[Tsavong]

STR: 14
DEX: 20 (34)
CON: 12
WIS: 14
INT: 14
CHA: 18

They don't quite add up how many books do you intend to fling at that build?

[mining]

STR: 14
DEX: 20 (34)
CON: 12
WIS: 14
INT: 14
CHA: 18

They don't quite add up how many books do you intend to fling at that build?

Thats with a full set of +2s, as indicated.

[Daltian]

AB"
30 BAB
18 dex
04 feats
10 weapon
03 prayer
02 DM
03 DF
01 BS
+19
____
71 AB.

It's 71 ab vs. neutral or evil
67 ab vs lawful good or chaotic good (68 if you are lucky enough to have death rapier)

[trickovthlyte]

Just a few complaints.

Are you sure those g's aren't t's?

Heaven forbid that you should have a cleric to make you haste potions.

[mining]

Just a few complaints.

Are you sure those g's aren't t's?

Heaven forbid that you should have a cleric to make you haste potions.

[Twiggy]

Just a few complaints.

Are you sure those g's aren't t's?

Heaven forbid that you should have a cleric to make you haste potions.

a little late numbnuts. You're sure your name isn't 'geezimadike?'

I already stated I would build it differently. You had to come in and throw out some stupid comment though.

[Twiggy]

Race Aasimar

Captain America 40 Paladin
1 blind fight
1* extra turning
3 divine might
6 divine shield
9 extra smiting
12 power attack
15 imp critical
18 toughness
21 weapon focus
24 kd
27 Great Smiting IV
30 Great Smiting V
33 Great Smiting VI
36 Great Smiting VII
39 Great Smiting VIII
23*Armor Skin
26*Epic Weapon Focus
29*Epic Skill focus Discipline
32*Great Smiting I
35*Great Smiting II
38*Great Smiting III


19 STR (30)
10 DEX (15)
16 CON (24)
12 INT (19)
14 WIS (18)
29 CHA (40)


FORT 34 (48)
REF 25 (38)
WILL 27 (43)

30 BAB (58)

Concentration 46 (57)
Discipline 61 (77)
Heal 24 (34)
Taunt 56 (80)
Tumble 5

AC 13 (66)

560 BASE HP
720 Self BUFFED HP

The gear could be better
and the () mean buffed and gear counted. Job tokens and pure pally abilities not included

GEAR
Deaths Head
Death's Mantle
Dark blade
Plat Dragon Armor
Crafted Imbued Ammy #1
Crafted imbued belt
Gaurdian Greeves
Bracers of the dead
Golden Mithril Boots
Topaz and Amethyst rings x2

All +2 books given except Wisdom. Some feats I would have taken away, as well as Heal skill and given to tumble.

P.S. Killing undead outside daeron my AB was actually 62 according to combat log. Not sure what makes it different. Might be either the undead or evil part....or both

[mining]

No real need for extra turning - odd stat numbers kill you as well - order of feats is all wrong too. ESF Disc probably not needed, but its nice - and only 8 great smite feats means you're missing out on 80 smite damage. Might be overkill, but might be the difference between a one hit critkill or a flob.

ETA:

AB:

30 BAB
11 str mod
03 feats
10 HS (vs evil)
03 prayer
02 DF
03 DM from paladin
____
60 AB.

I've probably forgotten something, so yeah.