Spike Growth, Entangle, and Vine Mine

[Daral0085]

Three posts so soon, huh burra?

[weasel423]

Three posts so soon, huh burra?

He just called the suggestion bad. Now if he said it was stupid, we could count that

[Eldaquen]

Dev's would you consider changing the Gru that eats up Spike Growth, Entangle, and Vine Mine so only happens in boss and planar zones. Leave the spells as they are for now until an acceptable alternative is decided upon.

To clarify re-implement the spells in non-boss non-plane areas so they can be used in pvp and not to farm high level gear.

[mining]

Or, IMO, if that's not possible, change Vine Mine into Level 7 Bigby, and Entangle into grease.

[OpalimTeGolim]

Yeah, or change it to IGMS...

[Shadowalker]

Yeah, or change it to IGMS...

Who farted?

Dev's would you consider changing the Gru that eats up Spike Growth, Entangle, and Vine Mine so only happens in boss and planar zones. Leave the spells as they are for now until an acceptable alternative is decided upon.

To clarify re-implement the spells in non-boss non-plane areas so they can be used in pvp and not to farm high level gear.

A reasonable request, though input from the STAFF may shed a diffrent light.

[Rufio]

Yeah, or change it to IGMS...

Good idea, but like AoE IGMS, that hits every round they are in the area and is party friendly. Perfect. Devs, get on this, there is no need for testing.

[Daral0085]

Since we're now thoroughly off-topic, I suggest an alternative that would require almost no coding or testing: bio-mord!

[Midterm]

Wee more offtopic:

- Make Quillfire a no-SR spell like melfs. It does horrible damage anyways. (1d8 + 5 acid and a dc 18 poison)
- Make Crumble our IGMS. Full damage against constructs and non-living (aka undead), half-damage against living. Allow SR check (currently does not allow SR check).
- Make Creeping Doom deal magical or acid instead of physical. Resists on physical are huge already, it does almost 0 damage even when its reaching its max damage. Make the save based on its Animal Empathy Check, so u don't get stung by insects.

[mining]

I propose Quillfire = half NS3.5's Quillfire.

[Ryddwillow]

- Make Quillfire a no-SR spell like melfs. It does horrible damage anyways. (1d8 + 5 acid and a dc 18 poison)
- Make Crumble our IGMS. Full damage against constructs and non-living (aka undead), half-damage against living. Allow SR check (currently does not allow SR check).
- Make Creeping Doom deal magical or acid instead of physical. Resists on physical are huge already, it does almost 0 damage even when its reaching its max damage. Make the save based on its Animal Empathy Check, so u don't get stung by insects.

Way to powerful, next everyone will be running around with stun bait dragons, what no one is making dragons anymore? elementals? gone build dexers, wait, wait, where are the shifters? dead and buried. Balance ?????????????


Should really play a toon and build from scratch and raid and defend and see what you can nerf on all toons lol lawyers do not know all

[frogofpeace]

Daral was elected official FoN lawyer, and he does, in fact, know everything. Praise Torm!

[Ryddwillow]

Daral was elected official FoN lawyer, and he does, in fact, know everything. Praise Torm!

Stunner, I see as usual.

[Ryddwillow]

Yah, a stunner. Hey is this gonna change? Because anyone with a brain can make one of these.

[Rufio]

So, what about just making crumble work on all targets instead of just constructs? 15d6 sonic damage w/ no save to a single target is about 52.5 damage (average) using a level 6 slot, or it could be maximized to do 90 sonic damage to a single target w/ a level 9 slot. There is no spell resist check at the moment either, but one could be added if deemed necessary. At the moment druids have a few damage spell options, but aside from ice storm and inferno, they are underpowered and most of the damage spells like to use the same spell slots as eachother ( for example, the druid's critical offensive spells are maxed inferno, maxed ice storm, nature's balance, finger of death (for the negative damage), and bombardment and they are all competing for level 8 slots). Druids don't have a reliable single target damage spell at the moment other than finger of death and, in theory, harm, but uef makes one immune to those, and without the ab buffs that clerics have a druid's harms will mostly miss.