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[Mixtli]

There is one player from TSS who now plays in RK. Has tlb tagged toons i think. Login is Mchg...something.

He doesn't have access to our forums, and as i'm aware of, only had one TSS toon before. I dont think that toon has been deleted, but from what I have seen in recent months, he raided TC, defended RK. Didn't switch sides to fight for TC.

btw, with the lack of aork players in recent months, we have invited pwnd / tlb / RR players to our 30+ leveling parties. Something they can confirm.

[mining]

im also tired of hns being lumped in with us, they arent us, they are trying to roleplay a neutral guild, which is something different and something they enjoy, but your all too petty and spitefull to let them actually do this, tss/clad are suppossed to have a neutrality pact with them, obviously your word is meaningless because ive seen tss and clad target hns (and these tss/clad were at the time partied with their own enemies from ma/sl), looked a lot to me like they wanted to help their enemies pk the hns guys, cause it wasnt the hns guys who attacked....

Just to address this, Aiea has snapped at me so many times on the IRC about this, I'm a bit past it, but can we please get some kind of official ruling that when we say AORK, we generally mean tlB/RR/PWnD/CoN? I personally hardly ever refer to HNs, except to say "Oh, the guilds you can generally trust are TSS, CLAD, FoN, FURY (though they're new) HNs. IO, DD, MADD, and GODS tend to be fairly helpful too." I rarely, if ever, lump HNs in with PWnD and co.

As to neutrality, well... PVP will still happen, or the server will get boring. This isn't official anything, but TSS does have neutrality with most every guild but AORK-HNs, so where there's conflict, what happens, happens.

I think the point is less "Oh, look, you guys did this and this!"
Its more "Oh. You guys did this. Again. For the nth time this week."

[cRaZy8or5e]

anyways, theres my pointless wall of text that will accomplish nothing, enjoy....

Your post was hardly pointless. This thread is pointless, your post just clarified many many misconceptions. Me and my brother specifically, and many others for that matter, but I'll vouch for us specifically, take particular enjoyment in killing and being killed by our friends. This server is a pvp server and is the reason why it lives. Killing is cool

[Tru3Fals3]

Killing is cool

there we go, we agree on something

[Rufio]

This thread is pretty much broad generalizations based on the actions of individuals, and none of the people posting are the individuals in question.


If you all have an issue with someone being in TSS, CLAD, DD, and MADD, that is an individual, and none of the people in those 4 guilds know anything of it. There are a few different ways that can be resolved.

1) You all are mistaken, and nothing is going on, and:
a) You can decide to trust us.
b) You can continue to think it is happening.

2) You all are right and it is happening and:
a) You all can leave us in the dark about it and continue to use it against us.
b) Tell us, and we can resolve the issue.


So, to me 1a and 2b are the most favorable outcomes, but as of right now either 1b or 2a is happening. Lets fix this problem, ok? It is up to you all to decide what to do.

[OpalimTeGolim]

Ferinda is GODS/IO/MADD.
Tree is GODS/MADD.
Several of us are MADD/DD.
At least 3 people are MADD only.

All MA/SL guilds. No AO/RK/TC/NC guilded ppl in MADD. Not now, or in the past or in the future.

Best,
Saan

[Amoenotep]

once upon a time DD was single guild only and you got expelled from it if you were found to be in another. they also killed faction allies that weren't as strong...because thats what drow do


also....wait, what?

[DM_Sultan]

While DMs don't police the guilds, we do work closely with them in the case of infractions. A guild tagged toon is a representative of the entire guild, so they tend to be very picky in whom they allow to join and rightfully so. I for one will be very happy to assist a guild that has a problem with tagged toons that have not been invited.

Another word to the wise: Do NOT make any tagged toon unless you have been invited to join them or otherwise given permission to make that tagged toon. Failure to heed this warning may result in a sudden and non-negotible trip to the final resting place for that toon.

[Ajantis.]

...but i do absolutely 100% know that someone from tss/clad is guilded in an enemy faction, i wont say who or how for their privacy and for both guilds privacy. personally, i dont care, but it does happen, deny this all you want, its true

Well, I never claimed that wasn't true. I know of only a couple who are in CLAD and an "enemy" guild and they've been in both guilds for well over..... 5 years. However they don't play pvp and when they do, they don't switch around (In fact, I can't recall an instance of pvp recently, they aren't into it). If they log in a tagged character, they play it for the day, and don't switch back and forth.

Each guild can make their own rules on membership, and CLAD made inter-guild membership more flexible because of the build restrictions in the Northern Coalition, not to mention the pvp-light history CLAD has had, and to give an outlet for those who desired it more. That has changed lately with the rise of Relic War events and various other politics that forced CLAD to be slightly more bellicose in recent years.

Having said that, its more the exception than the rule, and permission needs to be granted before joining another guild, or vice versa.

And btw---- Twiggy's multi-guild associations don't count. He's an anomaly.

Lastly, I suppose I shouldn't assume people aren't making uninvited CLAD tagged toons.... It certainly wouldn't be the first time, but I try to keep an eye out for that.

[Eldaquen]

First off regarding privacy: the person behind the keyboard and the enemy guild's privacy is being protected but this thread and posts within could be interpeted as publicly denouncing TSS/CLAD for allegadly allowing this to occur and allegadly denying it. TSS/CLAD were singled out but who has done so and the enemy guild were not, why doesn't TSS/CLAD not receive the same privacy consideration?

I don't mean to single anyone out or be negative toward anyone. This thread started out negative toward my guild and is not easy reading it without taking offense. I can appreciate wanting to protect the privacy of those involved intact. I just wish TSS warranted the same level of respect but I guess it doesn't.

Second I was not aware that an active member of TSS is also member of a hostile enemy guild. If this is so, then I ask that person make this fact known to the leadership of TSS so it might be addressed. I am not requesting anyone else to provide this information as it is something that the person behind the keyboard should do. If the person everyone is referring to joined TSS by hiding who they are, hiding their other guild affiliations, and possibily joined under false pretenses, then I don't see how that is an error on the part of TSS/CLAD.

Just to be clear an enemy hositle guild is different than the NS4 storyline enemy faction. This is guild business not faction.

Third, someone should be allowed to have a separate sign-ons to play in a different factions if they so choose. Provided they keep their sign-ons separate and role play them appropriately. Then deeds should not carry forward to the other sign-on provided actions were in character. If someone is breaking server commandments, griefing, or other OOC play then those actions could possibly carry forward to said persons other sign-ons. With that said, this applies to untagged toons and sign-ons.