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[MtainEer]

Currently several players have guilded toons in all the cities except RK/AO and they relog different guilded toons from enemy factions to raid/defend without a 30 minute window.

One person has toons in TSS, CLAD, MADD & DD...another person has toons in TSS, FON & SYN...ect. It is just beyond silly.

So, the way I see it the server has two choices.

A) We leave things alone and the server becomes non pvp because we are all buddies (or we become buddies since we have buddies in our guild that is in enemy factions) and the real RK/AO guys leave.

B) We try to come up with ways to fix the silliness that currently exists. So, my proposal is when you log in, put a mob in the middle of the faction recruit mobs which will make you pick which factions you will forever support...in other words, you only have 3 choices (SL/MA, TC/NC or RK/AO). This would have to be a cd key lock. Once you pick, there would never be another chance to change it...the value of your choice along with your cd key would be stored on the server.

Note: Now, I know most of us currently have toons in different enemy cities...so if this was implemented, then a week or so notice would have to be given so that we could get all gear from those toons.

MtainEer

[Bargeld]

How are people supposed to make crafters if there choice doesn't support it?

The rules are in place to prevent your examples. Whether they are obeyed and/or ultimately upheld is something different.

relogging for defense only hits venge log rules when its cross faction...your tc char defennds nc then you relog another tc char to defend nc again

which means YOU CANNOT RELOG OTHER FACTION CHARS TO DEFEND A FACTION OTHER THAN THEIR HOME OR ITS VENGE LOGGING.

your tc char defennds nc then you relog another tc char to defend nc again=THE EXAMPLE NOT THE RULE

relogging for defense only hits venge log rules when its cross faction=THE RULE NOT THE EXAMPLE

I would also Like to add that ::DD:: only allows multi-guilding with ::MADD::. Although I am aware of a previous TSS member within our ranks, that member does not (should not) use those previous toons. I cannot speak 100% for ::MADD:: but I do not believe they allow guilding outside of SL/MA (GoDS and IO). I would question the claim about a player actively using toons from MADD DD TSS & CLAD. From a DD standpoint, if it were true, it would be investigated as to whether they are aware of this rule, and given the choice to give up those toons or be expelled from DD.

[Shamedmonkey]

"God the rest of the server is friends with each other and I'm not a part of that so I should wreck it."

This is what I read. PvP is perfectly fine if we're friendly. In fact, I find it makes PvP that much more enjoyable. Sure, there's nothing like crippling striking your enemies then leaving them there encumbered away from any near town. But when you can be friendly with your enemies and joke about it, it's so much fun.

EDIT: Also, I want to point out that AORK ruined that friendship. Not us. You made the rest of the server hate you. Live with the consequences that you are never invited to parties.

[Cahaal]

Quit lumping every one in AO/RK as the same. HNs does not play like the other guilds in AO/RK. We don't go hunting the Mt. for lowbies or hunt anyone for that matter. Generalizations are hurtfull. Say what you mean. If you mean PWnD, then say that. If you mean RR or tLB, then say that. Don't drag the name of good players through the mud. HNs has a hard time recruiting because people generalize AO/RK together. I hear from new players that we don't play fair in AO/RK and are mean to people. STOP IT!

[Rufio]

One person has toons in TSS, CLAD, MADD & DD

I think you are misinformed here. As far as I know, there isn't anyone in all 4 of these guilds. TSS and CLAD have rules against guiding outside of TC and NC. SyN gets treated a little differently being a cult, not a guild, but they just follow their own rules and are KoS for TC/NC in relic play.

[Ajantis.]

The DMs don't get involved with inter-guild politics.

I did some notice someone complaining about CLADs and GODS or whatever relogging as one another yesterday. I'm afraid they have mistaken. I don't blame anyone for getting confused with trying to track who is logging in as what so various pvp rules aren't being broken, but I can assure you that isn't occuring.

[Daral0085]

Like others have pointed out, a (presumably) unintended consequence would be the removal of all TC/NC arcane crafters, which must be done out of faction. Given the importance of 1) UMD usables (mord scrolls, rods, wands, etc), 2) crafted amulets, does Mtneer suggest we gets wizzies?

[Rufio]

Like others have pointed out, a (presumably) unintended consequence would be the removal of all TC/NC arcane crafters, which must be done out of faction. Given the importance of 1) UMD usables (mord scrolls, rods, wands, etc), 2) crafted amulets, does Mtneer suggest we gets wizzies?

I think that is an endorsement! MtainEer Agrees! Wizards for TC and NC!

[mining]

Like others have pointed out, a (presumably) unintended consequence would be the removal of all TC/NC arcane crafters, which must be done out of faction. Given the importance of 1) UMD usables (mord scrolls, rods, wands, etc), 2) crafted amulets, does Mtneer suggest we gets wizzies?

I think that is an endorsement! MtainEer Agrees! Wizards for TC and NC!

Yes, I think it is too! Wizards!

Also, is there something wrong with me playing out of FoN, TSS (both of which are TCNC) and SyN? Hell, its quite probable that I have some AO toon I'll be making at some stage for PVM.

Currently several players have guilded toons in all the cities except RK/AO

Do not play this bull[bleep]. AORK are historically famous for making toons in different factions, and using them against their home faction. CoNs in recent times (oh, haven't seen them, must be they got nerfed to less useful than AORK classes) and other from before I started playing.

Aiea: If I want to refer to HNs, I always refer to them as HNs. I make exception every time I say AORK to someone who is new to the server.

Also, lets be honest,

A) We leave things alone and the server becomes non pvp because we are all buddies (or we become buddies since we have buddies in our guild that is in enemy factions) and the real RK/AO guys leave.

The real RK/AO guys leave? I think they went to WoW, last I heard. As to all being buddies, well, surely you heard of the FoN CLAD war a while back? That was good, fun pvp.

Also, I want to point out that AORK ruined that friendship. Not us. You made the rest of the server hate you. Live with the consequences that you are never invited to parties.

This is true. I suspect every single person who was unguilded, or a guilded lowbie, got harassed by AORK. I personally got killed by PWnD, I think, 10 times in 2 days while trying to level. AORK would, invariably give the "there's other spots to level" bull[bleep], but there aren't if you don't know of any places to level at all. If I didn't really want to give the server a go, I would've just left. At one stage, we got so pissed off we just said "screw this". I did it around the time I got Sancreed to 35. Before that I was willing to invite PWnD or RR or tlB into a party, but afterwards, I'd rather solo at 1/10th the speed than give them slightly faster XP.

The reason why all the other factions are a little 'chummy chummy' is, in fact, probably because of the AORK bull[bleep] we had to collectively put up with.
We were far more likely to help each other level than risk tussling with AORK solo. (though I know of a few times where AORK has lost in harassing a level 30+.

Edited on request for swearing

[Shamedmonkey]

Do not play this bull[bleep]. AORK are historically famous for making toons in different factions, and using them against their home faction. CoNs in recent times (oh, haven't seen them, must be they got nerfed to less useful than AORK classes) and other from before I started playing.

I'd like to add another example of this. During the last relic event when I was playing TC, AORK logged an NC built PDK in SL about 5 minutes before the relic event heat actually began to kill me on McNinja. They failed, and 1 minute before the relic event started they had him drop party and they killed him to avoid directly breaking the rules. Now, still gonna complain about making toons out of multiple factions?

[Shadowalker]

Aorks shouldnt be lumped all together.. there are many players within that are honnerable and respected.

There are no members of TSS in official guilds of enemy factions. Its against the primary laws of TSS.

I to enjoy PvP far more with and against players that I like and respect, and those players exist in all factions.

The only issue with SyN that I have, is that a member of SyN that is also in offical guilds of an enemy faction have access to priviate forums. Granting them intimate details of pvp builds without having to figure it out by combat. Thankfully the honor system applies here and does a decent job of preventing explotation.

[Alkapwn]

::DD:: does not have any other multi-guilded players except for MADD. Most of us DD were once in other guilds and on coming into DD were required to delete tagged toons or give up the login associated for good (a huge sacrafice).
SyN isn't a guild its a cult.
I have 40's in every faction that doesnt mean i'm all buddy buddy with everyone in that faction. I do have aquaintences in other factions including AO/RK and it never gets in the way of defending/raiding for my home factions.
It's not like one of our guild members build TC toons to raid with FOR AO/RK.... Who would do something like that??

[Eldaquen]

MtainEer just to clear up any confusion, the person your referring to resigned from TSS willingly for their own reasons, which is private. Just because someone was in a guild at one time does not mean they are always in that guild. A former TSS member, who also resigned of their own will, left TSS to join MD; later joined PWnD. They left TSS and are no longer members.

I do not see an issue with players having builds in other factions as long as they role play that toon to that faction.

The end game should be the journey in the pvp experience. Role playing for different factions might be enjoyable for some players. Everyone should be allowed to role play for other factions if they so choose.

I have friends in SL that are IO and DD. We have had PvP in the past which I found to be enjoyable, and I hope they enjoyed the experience too. I have friends in HNs who I have had similar positive PvP experiences with. Just because people are friendly or friends does not mean it will take away from the pvp experience, in fact it should enhance it. Now I have had many pvp experiences with non-friendly people which were not fun! PvP experiences where I left the encounter feeling disgusted and regreted ever participating in the encounters. I'd rather PvP with friends or foes who fight with honor, than someone I know or do not know who fights WITHOUT honor.

As far as your recommendation regarding locking a CD key to a single faction. If you truely feel this way, then you didn't go far enough. If you did, then you'd recommend that CD keys AND ISP addresses would be locked in to a single choosen faction that way players don't just buy multiple CD keys to end around your proposed change. I do not support this!!! Your recommendation would only affect those players who have limited resources and who have only 1 CD key. Multi-boxers could just obtain another key, therefore not be subject to your recommendation, and do what they will.

Your recommendation would not affect going Rogue and those who choose to do so would still be able to use their choosen faction to defend an enemy faction, which seems to be the issue you dislike.

Locking CD keys to a faction would ultimately just hurt the community. In my opinion this would just lead to a smaller population of players who are active on NS4. Many grow tired of build options in a faction and are reinvigorated by playing in a new faction. Locking a CD key would only cause people to leave NS4 in order to find a new realm when they grow tired of one faction's build restrictions.

Also why is following the rules and waiting for the 30 minute timer to expire to change sides to fight for the other side considered a bad thing. As the community's population grows smaller this might occur more often in order to keep sides even/equal for a more enjoyable PvP experience.

Again the end game should be the PvP experience not holding relics in one faction endlessly.

If going Rogue is the issue with which you find distasteful, well unfortunately the Staff already ruled in favor of allowing this to occur.

[mining]

As far as your recommendation regarding locking a CD key to a single faction. If you truely feel this way, then you didn't go far enough. If you did, then you'd recommend that CD keys AND ISP addresses would be locked in to a single choosen faction that way players don't just buy multiple CD keys to end around your proposed change. I do not support this!!! Your recommendation would only affect those players who have limited resources and who have only 1 CD key. Multi-boxers could just obtain another key, therefore not be subject to your recommendation, and do what they will.

This.
As someone who plays with multi-loggers a lot, I doubt that you could not have seen this.

[Tru3Fals3]

ill regret posting this, like i regret posting or reading anything on these boards but i do absolutely 100% know that someone from tss/clad is guilded in an enemy faction, i wont say who or how for their privacy and for both guilds privacy. personally, i dont care, but it does happen, deny this all you want, its true

i like my side, i like my factions, rk was a ghost town when i started and even the dms said "wow people really wanna play in rk" when i started the guild. anytime i build something out of my factions i get bored with it real quick cause it just has no application for me and its not much of a challenge.

people hate me, i dont care, people say we just kill lowbies, this is true, ive done it on occasion and we certainly arent the only ones, few people can say they havent (what a stupid argument lol), and my lowbies have been killed before and after that by others (i believe in the first 2mins on the server for me i walked out of la and some hipser from dd insta killed me, good memory, i was hooked), we are the bad guys, everyones gotta have people to blame everything on, thats us, we dont really mind, thats your problem.

i would like to know where i actually stand though, a lot of the people here badmouthing my guilds and myself (cause were all the same right...) are people who i regularily talk to and sometimes party with or help. if this is your attitude towards me when im not around i wouldve liked to have known that!

im also tired of hns being lumped in with us, they arent us, they are trying to roleplay a neutral guild, which is something different and something they enjoy, but your all too petty and spitefull to let them actually do this, tss/clad are suppossed to have a neutrality pact with them, obviously your word is meaningless because ive seen tss and clad target hns (and these tss/clad were at the time partied with their own enemies from ma/sl), looked a lot to me like they wanted to help their enemies pk the hns guys, cause it wasnt the hns guys who attacked....

anyways, theres my pointless wall of text that will accomplish nothing, enjoy....