Blackguards

[Shadowalker]

A big discrepancy between pally and BG is that you can do a pallie + a PRC, but not with a BG.

*edit* what? this is weird, my post is supposed to go after bargeld's, how did it get up here?

Twice today I posted with no one on and came back to find pots before mine... but each instance it was a DM post (tep and gorm) so I assumed they were using host privilages.

[Eldaquen]

A simple one class build will by it's nature be powerful in the strengths of that one class. However, a simple build will also have weaknesses with few remedies to hide or mitigate those weaknesses. The purpose of multi-classing is to fill in the gaps to reduce weaknesses while, at the same time, maintain or improve upon that class' strengths; and possibily add other class strengths so not a one trick build.

To qoute others "There is no one build. Every build has a counter-build" (or soemthing to that affect). A pure fighter or pure paladin will be frustrated fighting a well built SD. A pure fighter will have trouble with a well built druid's (or cleric's) SoV. At the same time that same druid (or cleric) will have extreme difficulty if that same fighter is successful with a kd attempt.

There are lot's of simple builds that are used today which hold there own: pure fighters, paladins, barbarians to name a few.

Pure paladins are great at smiting evil. Unfortunately everyone knows this; so when they are able they choose a neutral alignment. A rogue is not concerned with alignment, so their strength (sneak attack) are applied across a larger population of foes. There are builds that are immune to a rogue's strength (sneak attack): elementals, dragons, and DWD. However if that elemental (dragon or DWD) is evil then the paladin's smite will wreck havok on that foe. If that elemental (dragon or DWD) is good aligned then a Blackguard's smite good will wreck havok on that foe. One of the better summon's available in NS4 is the solar. There are many who built non-paladin yet good aligned builds specifically for the solar. The blackguard's smite good might not be as powerful as a paladin's smite evil, however the population of good aligned potential victums are much higher than a paladin's population of evil aligned potential foes.

If blackgaurds' smite good was equal to a paladin's smite evil then one of the potential results might be fewer good aligned builds around to utilize that smite good ability.

[Cahaal]

Elda, All of SL is evil and therefore you have a whole faction to smite. CoTs are not all good and neither is there a whole faction of good.

[Twiggy]

speaking of....NC should be all good....just saying

[Daral0085]

NC should also have rogues.... just saying.

[Daltian]

NC should also have sorc.... just saying.

[mining]

Elda, All of SL is evil and therefore you have a whole faction to smite. CoTs are not all good and neither is there a whole faction of good.

There are far more reasons to make a good toon then there are to make an evil toon. Firstly, it makes BGs cocky . Secondly... Does there need to be a second reason? :p

[Twiggy]

NC should also have rogues.... just saying.

That is just absurd, why would a faction of goody too shoes and magic haters have anything to do with rogues and/or sorcerers?


TC should also be all neutral....but that's just MO

[Nyeleni]

Sure, I take neutral evil and give you chaotic good.

[mining]

NC should also have rogues.... just saying.

That is just absurd, why would a faction of goody too shoes and magic haters have anything to do with rogues and/or sorcerers?


TC should also be all neutral....but that's just MO

Why would a faction of filthy arcanists get harper scouts, eh? Your arguements are based on rp, and are thus inherently flawed. Please see DnD charop forums (rule 0) for more reasons why this is so.

[Twiggy]

From what i understand about harper scouts is that they are secret society of defenders of the world. MA isn't evil, it's just full of mages. Unless something has changed that i'm not aware of. In the Single player module duncan or dougan or whatever his name is, is a sorcerer and he is a harper scout. I don't get ur point

Sure, I take neutral evil and give you chaotic good.

I don't get this. Why are we trading to begin with? By Neutral i meant the whole middle ground in the alignment spectrum, chatoic N, True N, Lawful N.

if there is a full evil faction (Lawful E, Neutral E, Chaotic E) then there should be both a full neutral, and full good faction as well (TC and NC respectively)

Those two factions make the most sense. In fact i would even fudge giving TC Neutral Evil, and Neutral good too. Nature cares not for good or evil, chaotic or laws. It only cares about itself, Surviving.

[LinuxPup]

MA isn't evil, it's just full of mages.

Garagoth is pretty evil... maybe not quite as much as Menzoduran, but they have Tiefling guards... also there's a statue of Cyric, Lord of Murder in the center of the city. Their prestige class is an evil-only class, and they eat babies.

[Shadowalker]

MA isn't evil, it's just full of mages.

Garagoth is pretty evil... maybe not quite as much as Menzoduran, but they have Tiefling guards... also there's a statue of Cyric, Lord of Murder in the center of the city. Their prestige class is an evil-only class, and they eat babies.

Evil is needed for the balance of Good..

but remember that the baby you eat today, could be the slave, whore or test subject of tomorrow.

[mining]

Garagoth:
Has a brothel.
Summons Balors.
Has undead monstrosities in its streets on a regular basis.
Has freaking statues of Cyric and Bane all around the place.

Cyric has many titles, some of which include the Prince of Lies, the Dark Sun, the Black Sun, the Mad God, and the Lord of Three Crowns. Cyric is closely associated with the essence of murder, strife, lies, Intrigue, and illusions.

He is considered one of the major evils in Faerûn.

Bane is a ruthless, calculating, power-hungry deity ever obsessed with expanding his power.

These are not, by any definition, good people.

SL is, by comparison, light-hearted and fun loving. A Blackguard is around as good as MA would seem to get.
Compare with Northern Coalition.
They have a gladiatorial arena.
They have a base for researching the arcane.
Bards form a crucial part of their defences.
They are closely allied with the 'hippies' of TC.

These folks are sure as hell not 'all lawful good' or some deformed variant.

And TC being neutral only? Nature has elements of benevolence within it, but no pure malice. So there. My take on the roleplay just beat your take on the roleplay.


Lets face it, Aetheria's balance is based on rollplay, not roleplay. The numbers dictate what needs changing.

[LinuxPup]

TC isn't a purely neutral faction... they lean towards good, which is why they get along so well with NC.