Factional 3 way (avoiding lockdown)

[Bargeld]

You speak the truth, and that is exactly what we got accused of. The truth is that we honestly went to go get some relics and bring them home. So it's all about intentions, trust, and DM decisions.

There is a flaw in the dreary situation you proposed tho... you assume that a faction is unable to defend and raid at the same time. And that is one of the keys in the event. I don't want to get into this too much cuz then it becomes a discussion of tactics and to each their own, but if you can capture relics faster than you lose them, you can win that way too.

Overall, I just think your post is simply rather downtrodden and negative towards the event as a whole. Ever since the original topic it seems like people have been making excuses as to why they will lose even before the event has started. I've said it before and I'll say it again, just let the event itself determine the outcome and let the plays unfold as they happen.

As far as winning without your relic, that's almost always going to be the case if the battles are heated and last to the very end. Remember that there is only priority for the first 2 relics out by any team of raiders from any single faction. And of those 2, the only relic that you are guaranteed to lose, regardless of which faction is attacking, is your own. Your own relic is actually the hardest to keep.

[Rainswept]

Overall, I just think your post is simply rather downtrodden and negative towards the event as a whole. Ever since the original topic it seems like people have been making excuses as to why they will lose even before the event has started. I've said it before and I'll say it again, just let the event itself determine the outcome and let the plays unfold as they happen.

Perhaps. Mostly I've just never been happy with the heats I suppose. I realize it's what everyone voted for, so it's hard to argue against the consensus, but that's what created this situation. The multi-day-marathon event unfortunately favors just people who simply have time to play all the time, but at least there's not much dispute that it's won or lost honestly. It's won by people who are willing and able to devote real time and effort into it.

it's all about intentions, trust, and DM decisions.

ya. kinda my point there. (Except for DM decisions. Edge is running this I understand, so I guess we'll all learn his decision making together)

[Tsavong]

The point is that it's not possible to beat 2 teams. The faction that realizes they cannot win can simply choose the winner, with no way to prove or disprove intentions.

So there's a possible wild card, what will this other team do who knows....

Perhaps. Mostly I've just never been happy with the heats I suppose. I realize it's what everyone voted for, so it's hard to argue against the consensus, but that's what created this situation. The multi-day-marathon event unfortunately favors just people who simply have time to play all the time, but at least there's not much dispute that it's won or lost honestly. It's won by people who are willing and able to devote real time and effort into it.

Well if I remember the heats were there to introduce relic resets as the start of the war or heat when the relics are gathered up the first time is the most important time were most of the caps seem to be scored.

Any way this coming event is longer than the last one with more, longer, heats most of with are 1am to 5 am my time so I doubt you will see much of me lol.

[cRaZy8or5e]

i was trying to make a joke out of it i really thought you dropped your shield.you said you dropped your shield.

Oh I apologize, I got your "light hearted" comment confused with all the other comments.

The point is that it's not possible to beat 2 teams.

It is possible and you guys proved it in the event that you won for AO.

[frogofpeace]

Yup. Can't win if you don't enter, though.

[weasel423]

Are the Swedish Ice Zombies in here?

[Alkapwn]

PWnD stands for Profiteers of War And Destruction as in we are a Mercenary group we don't really police our members.

1 . Every member of a guild reflects the entire guild
2 . Those that don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. RE: M.D.

[Rainswept]

PWnD stands for Profiteers of War And Destruction as in we are a Mercenary group we don't really police our members.

1 . Every member of a guild reflects the entire guild
2 . Those that don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. RE: M.D.

Seems like I had addressed this retardeness already... oh ya...

I get told I'm wearing labels because of people who left the game before I started an I've never met. The 2nd, and more important point is that, as Neil said, plenty of rulebreaking happens over on the other side, so drop the indignant holier-than-thou BS.

Leave the MD crap in the past, Alkapwn. I would hope you DD's would at least try to claim that people have moved on since then, considering the fate of DD1, or are we all supposed to still consider people loyal to who they were back then?

[Alkapwn]

I was only eluding to the fact that the fall of M.D. was not caused by all in the guild but a few un-"policed" members, as an example of guild etiquette vs server history.
There's nothing to get over, Catfood.
And as far as rule breaking by DCN,DD and SLaves. Just because someone says something doesnt necessarily make it the truth.
What you talkin about Willis?

[frogofpeace]

If anything, I think I have become too soft on my enemies as of late. Maybe this has been a bad example to set for my guildmates. Recent guild discussion and posts by all of y'all here on the forums makes me realize that sometimes I forget how the rest of the server perceives us and that maybe I need to spend more time on strategy outside of relic war and outside of building. It actually bothers me that Nyeleni questions the motives of PWnD in her group but doesn't question those of DD as much. As a lowbie on the mountain, I love to kill. But as toons get higher level and party requirements become more forgiving (due to population) the killing tends to slow down outside of relic war. This is just a fact for everyone (almost everyone, I'll come back to this). Me personally, it's probably my own fault for not starting enough toons. I think I am going to build a few for lower level PvP only and try to keep em there.

I'm sure I'm going to regret this, but this would be cool. I bet I was on the server a year before I ever partied with DD, but got PK'd by e.g. Redrum umpteen times. You prayed you had buffs on when you saw DD around. Good times. *shudders at DD ambush parties roaming the land again*

[F1end]

If anything, I think I have become too soft on my enemies as of late. Maybe this has been a bad example to set for my guildmates. Recent guild discussion and posts by all of y'all here on the forums makes me realize that sometimes I forget how the rest of the server perceives us and that maybe I need to spend more time on strategy outside of relic war and outside of building. It actually bothers me that Nyeleni questions the motives of PWnD in her group but doesn't question those of DD as much. As a lowbie on the mountain, I love to kill. But as toons get higher level and party requirements become more forgiving (due to population) the killing tends to slow down outside of relic war. This is just a fact for everyone (almost everyone, I'll come back to this). Me personally, it's probably my own fault for not starting enough toons. I think I am going to build a few for lower level PvP only and try to keep em there.

I'm sure I'm going to regret this, but this would be cool. I bet I was on the server a year before I ever partied with DD, but got PK'd by e.g. Redrum umpteen times. You prayed you had buffs on when you saw DD around. Good times. *shudders at DD ambush parties roaming the land again*

Let Lolth's minions due Cyric's bidding, with chaos and death for all

[Ryddwillow]

A point that has not come up regarding this topic that should at least be mentioned. From The Circles point of view, even in this light RP server, TC is a neutral faction. Perhaps the concept of neutrality is being lost in the Abyss of anger and resentment that Aetheria seems to be lost in. Yes TSS will join mixed parties, even to raid. With that said, the actions of the population of other factions impact which faction TSS will and will not party with or join forces. In recent history MASL relationship to TC has been friendly. What I mean by that they are not acting as if open war is upon the factions. There are no secret meetings planning and coordinating efforts, just a friendly actions when goals align. At times they tolerate our presence and welcome the added aid in upper planar areas, leveling, and what not. Sometimes they don't. Whom TSS has and will party with or join forces with has ebed and flowed over time. A neutral faction will do so. Factions showing favorable or friendly actions will reap inkind response from a neutral faction or guild. With that said, it only takes a few from another faction to disrupt favorable improvement in relations.

Someone quoted "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Some time ago; TSS partied and joined forces with RK (including members of RR) and others factions against SL, when they were on top. However things changed when PWnD rose to power and their close affiliation RR was formed. Not begruding that fact, just stating AORK/ PWnD/RR (and tLB) have a strong relationship. Much in the same way that TSS, CLAD, and FoN have a close relationship. Allied factions its to be expected and something would be wrong if that was not the case. Regarding relations with AORK and TC; a lot has happened over time and much water has built up under the bridge.

Right now (without stating on forums, shouting in game, etc) AORK (PWnD, RR and tLB) act as if open war was declared. By open war I mean above and beyond the storyline of Aetheria's relic war. The actions of AORK population have made it clear they will openly attack or take hostile action against TSS and our allies. For a period of time PWnD made it clear they would not party with rival factions, level lowbies with rival factions or allow rival factions in same area of Aetheria as their levling parties. This seems to have changed when the overall population of Aetheria decreased. Recent trend seems to be AORK willing to seek others for leveling parties. However past deeds have not been fogotten yet, and when see a PWnD/RR/tLB request for party; I still ask myself is that a genuin request or an attempt to discover rivals locations to pk. TSS is shying away from any member of PWnD or known non-tagged PWnD player builds. Does not everyone react the same to a person or group which has shown they are consistantly hostile.

One day another faction may will rise and commit atrocities that will force AORK and TNC ally. When or if this occurs is anyones guess.

This thread is implying that rival factions banding together to battle the top faction is negatively impacting some individuals enjoyment of the game AND that peoples multiboxing is negatively impacting the enjoyment of the game. The constant pointing fingers and bickering is not helping and only harming the community as a whole. I have read shouts, talks, party and tells in game from many on both sides that they enjoy and want the pvp experience. This thread, topics like it and the built up resentment on both sides are only going to reduce pvp experience and hurt the community as a whole. People on both sides have expressed boredom when no pvp or relic raiding is occuring; or when the other side is a no show to defend. Taking banding together or multiboxing away is not going to help.

PWnD is what the members wanted it to become, nothing wrong with that. However actions come with consequences in how rival factions/players react. Community is not a vacuum, players are not npcs: reactions and opinions to past deeds are persistant. Our minds do not reset when the server does. Yes this last statement contradicts a previous paragraph, but is a reality of the human mind. But if we all try to remember we are not RL enemies, and all just trying to enjoy the same game; maybe just maybe we all will enjoy playing more and walk away less often from a session dreading had logged on. Or post on a forum, which I am sure I will regret after get a response from this.

Bravo, Bravo.

well i must say i love that my very small posts create such a huge response must be hitting a nerve.as far as it gos you have never seen me on shout bragging your lucky if you have ever seen me shout at all.PWnD stands for Profiteers of War And Destruction as in we are a Mercenary group we don't really police our members.so i think it's harder for me to see things as what we do and not what i do.so yall talk bout all this stuff that PWnD has done but the truth is its stuff just a few of us have done.as far as DD being all Honorable give me a brake every underhanded thing i have ever seen on this sever this being the only sever i have ever played was done by a DCN Slave or DD first. what really funny is im sure i have said all this before when i was MD . i think this is my longest post ever lol

Slave? DD? Listen here Huckleberry (I'll be your Huckleberry) MD was the guild that tested the limits of rule breaking here. Okies just pked a bunch and swore. MD broke a lot of rules here and the old players know. The MD's transfered to TLB and HNS caused they needed a boost to con-ten with the Jones. When the server wipe came the 2 guilds from LA went to RK and AO. The same ppl are in all 4 guilds because as a single guild they stunk (or 2 or 3 guilds). Ya I do not know too much hiding behind too many Login names, Ha, Ha, Ha.

When I want to raid I'll be honest with my enemies, enemy to achieve my goal. Pretty simple if you see what I see.

[Dalan]

got PK'd

can't trust anyone

hostile actions

heinous acts are being perpetrated

PvP daily

killed him (it was really good fight whoever that was

assassin lurking

SL, MA, AO, and RK all chasing me, all fighting eachother the whole time

Isn't that what pvp is all about

open war

consistantly hostile

anger, its nothing personal

looking for PVP

killing the hell out of some toons. Good, clean fun

won't be boring

aspects of the game

Wow! Isn't NS4 playerbase the best or what!?! Keep up the good work!

[Chernobyl_Glow]

This is a game, we are enemies because we choose to be enemies for the sake of competition. We aren't supposed to actually hate each other at the end of the day.

That's the most profound statement of this whole thread. well, and what willow said, as always.

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[Ireheart']

This is a game, we are enemies because we choose to be enemies for the sake of competition. We aren't supposed to actually hate each other at the end of the day.

That's the most profound statement of this whole thread. well, and what willow said, as always.

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Yes........ most profound.