Factional 3 way (avoiding lockdown)

[neil420]

Crazy i thought you still hated my for never finding your shield lol.

[Rufio]

bargeld, if it makes you feel any better, I pk DD on sight

but, instead of getting angry tells, I get tells saying good fight, even if i had an obvious level advantage.

This is a game, we are enemies because we choose to be enemies for the sake of competition. We aren't supposed to actually hate each other at the end of the day.

[neil420]

i'm not sure what myfacetwitter is but you don't need a wall o text to get your point across.

[mining]

i'm not sure what myfacetwitter is but you don't need a wall o text to get your point across.

Wall of text isn't a well structured, paragraph'd post.

well i must say i love that my very small posts create such a huge response must be hitting a nerve.as far as it gos you have never seen me on shout bragging your lucky if you have ever seen me shout at all.PWnD stands for Profiteers of War And Destruction as in we are a Mercenary group we don't really police our members.so i think it's harder for me to see things as what we do and not what i do.so yall talk bout all this stuff that PWnD has done but the truth is its stuff just a few of us have done.as far as DD being all Honorable give me a brake every underhanded thing i have ever seen on this sever this being the only sever i have ever played was done by a DCN Slave or DD first. what really funny is im sure i have said all this before when i was MD . i think this is my longest post ever lol

Thats a wall of text. Its a wall. No spaces. Nothing.

[Rainswept]

As I said in my original post about this matter, the entire thing is (as Glow pointed out to me) a big game of Cutthroat. Whoever is on top gets ganged up on, which was really all I was trying to say.

Thing is, at this point AO/RK has been a target for quite a long time, and also seems to be perceived as well, jerks since I can't use a less PC word. Point is even on days / weeks when ao/rk is at less than full strength, I do believe it's reached the point where we're more or less the default targets. Don't bother labeling whatever insults I'm sure the actual jerks out there are just itching for (these forums show people's true character far better than the perceptions in the game IMO) because It's not that Neil and I are complaining, as some have said, it's seen as a point of pride.

The issue, carrying over from the other thread, is that many of us in ao/rk are... let's call it suspicious... of not only how the last relic event went down, but of how future events will go down as far as teams and factions. Facts are facts, and in the last event the game was decided without anyone ever needing to take relics away from ao/rk in some heats. SL/MA guys would raid, pull out a relic, and die... giving NC point after point.

Now, despite the repeated claims of how ao/rk are rulebreakers, I just want to say 2 things. I don't break rules (outside of a time or two my temper and hence language got away from me) and neither do the VAST majority of ao/rk players. There were a couple guys known for it in the past, but they are gone and it's beyond retarded when I get told I'm wearing labels because of people who left the game before I started an I've never met. The 2nd, and more important point is that, as Neil said, plenty of rulebreaking happens over on the other side, so drop the indignant holier-than-thou BS.

The relic event boils down to ao/rk trusting the rest of the server not to collaborate against us... and many of us don't trust that at all. Given the repeatedly expressed attitude... Why should we trust you?

[Tsavong]

The relic event boils down to ao/rk trusting the rest of the server not to collaborate against us... and many of us don't trust that at all. Given the repeatedly expressed attitude... Why should we trust you?

Trust us to do what exactly? You can trust us to be out for out selves so in effect you can't trust us to do anything just as NC and TC can't crust SL and MA and SL and MA can't trust anyone even each other at times right Alka.

The issue, carrying over from the other thread, is that many of us in ao/rk are... let's call it suspicious... of not only how the last relic event went down, but of how future events will go down as far as teams and factions. Facts are facts, and in the last event the game was decided without anyone ever needing to take relics away from ao/rk in some heats. SL/MA guys would raid, pull out a relic, and die... giving NC point after point.

If you want to win the relic event you have to beat off everyone else it dose not matter if there working together or against each other you still have to beat them all.

[Nyeleni]

@ Rainswept: It doesn't matter if only a few of your members do cheat or just act out of bonds (and I'm pretty sure the majority of you follow the rules). If you give one or two the freedom to do it, you taint all the guild. And sometimes this is an offence that wipes out the whole guild, like MD ie. (not all MD were as mad as their master, which I heard does still lurk around heh).
Being silent while heinous acts are being perpetrated is imo a worse insult than doing it. Because by not speaking up you condone it.

@ Bargeld: No fear, I still regard DD as scum, which I can't trust farther than I can spit. If I didn't make it clear it's because this is about PWnD bashing (well, at least for me). But don't expect me to play nice with you guys during the relic war. Especially Dafni and Alka are my favourite targets!

@ Eldaquen: No fear, I don't take it too seriously all this bantering. That is why I rather enjoy all this bashing. It's part of the game, as it is before a boxing match. Although I rather watch something else. It's the preheat of the heats .

[Kromix]

factional 3 way sounds good, 3 ways are always good... except when you aren't the only man involved....

[Eldaquen]

However actions come with consequences in how rival factions/players react. Community is not a vacuum, players are not npcs: reactions and opinions to past deeds are persistant. Our minds do not reset when the server does. Yes this last statement contradicts a previous paragraph, but is a reality of the human mind. But if we all try to remember we are not RL enemies, and all just trying to enjoy the same game; maybe just maybe we all will enjoy playing more and walk away less often from a session dreading had logged on. Or post on a forum, which I am sure I will regret after get a response from this.

Just to clarify my thought, the above goes for everyone and all groups. Not just one. I should have separated the preceeding sentence. One's actions are sticky, last well beyond that session of in game play in the mind of the person on the receiving end. An action does not have to be illegal to cause a negative opinion on the part of the person on the receiving end.

Case in point disarm stealing weapons. Disarm stealing is legal in NS4, however it comes with the consequence that the victum of the disarm will hold it against the person commiting the action. The disarmer is within the rules and their rights to do it. The victum is in their rights to not want anything to do with the disarmer or take hostile action against hypothetical disarmer in the future.

Separate thought: the actions of a tagged toon reflected on the entire guild. Grouping ourselves into distinct groups has the unfortunate side affect of the actions of others of the same group will bear on how others view you. Even if the beholder (outsider) has a favorable opinion of 1 person in a group, hostile actions by other group members (legal or otherwise, beyond what is considered within normal game play) will impact how the outsider will interact with the 1 which they hold a favorable opinon of.

Case in point: back to disarm stealing. I dispise that practice. I do not keep track of the individuals that have stolen from my builds, however the taint of the action impacts my view of the tagged group that individual is a member of. I do remember vivibly the first time when a Slave disarm stoled the first Dark Blade I ever obtained in Aetheria. I don't recall the person, but noted he was a Slave and remember it till this day. This is something that happened more than 6 years ago. The Slave gave it to a DCN to sell over shout, negatively impacting my opinion/view of DCN ever after. However much good came from it that would not have happened if the disarm didn't occur. Many TSS, CLAD and other friends banded together and helped me procur a new one. Disarm stealing has its place in Aetheria. I have tried to change my view of it, as is a powerful tool in pvp to disable an opponent. I just don't understand the need to keep the disarmed weapons instead of returning after the session is over. Pre-wipe I had a bard that used a wipe, played her rarely. In a raid against MD she disarmed a MD, and imediately stopped fighting and asked the MD to pick up their weapon. Even asked those in raiding group to leave that MD alone until the weapon was retrieved which they did.

What I am trying to say, actions will impact how those on the receiving end will view you and the group your affiliated with. If others in your group are expressing displeasure with how the community is treating them as a result of actions (legal or not) that other members of that group are committing, perhaps for their guildmates' sake the action takers may elect to amend those actions, or at least interact with their victums in a positive way later to reduce the tainted opinions and hard feelings.

Just finished posting and already regret saying anything.

[cRaZy8or5e]

Crazy i thought you still hated my for never finding your shield lol.

As usual neil the only time you post is to insult and push buttons.

Good on ya, everyone thinks your a donkey .

I never hated you for not finding my shield btw but I did decide that your obnoxious actions coupled with the actions of others in PWnD prior to that made it obvious to me that I didn't want to be associated with PWnD anymore. Really, you holding my chanter and playing your little game was the proverbial straw, nothing more or less.

I didn't hate you before that happened, I didn't hate you when it happened, I don't hate you now.

[Shadowalker]

PWnD stands for Profiteers of War And Destruction as in we are a Mercenary group we don't really police our members.

Your choice, just dont complain when all the annomonous sins are heaped upon the guild collective.

To the many pwnds who dont feel as Neil does, I am truely sorry for the ill effect such a stance causes you. Several of you I enjoy talking with and working with, I wont list names, no need to 'out' you to the rest.

[Daral0085]

I'm not going to post a "wall of text" because I expect most of the AO/RK players here are simply trolling, but:

Its not like anyone would go around in Skara, get killed by a party a lower level than you in a suicidal attack, then call mother to mop up and DC 40s implode them, then head to Dwarf Home, run into the same people, attack them and then expect them to not kill you on sight... Members of tlB, RR and PWnD who will remain nameless. And how about the PWnD who ran into a resting party, starting attacking them, and complained when they got killed? I'm keeping these guys anonymous, because I don't want to turn this thread into a name and shame too much. You say its faction vs faction warfare. Lets face it, its guild hatred. PWnD, RR and tlB simply don't show us anything resembling human qualities. They are largely a faceless mass. Tru3, Neil and Hyk (to name one or two) get respect from me because they actual show who they are in SOME of their toons. I have no idea who Psiber's toons are, or who Rainswept's toons are.

QFT. Is it really a mysterious thing that I would KoS AO/RK guilded toons (excepting the rather mild HNs)? And FYI to whoever thought it was mining's hipser killing PWnD parties in skara, it wasn't. It was mine. Is it any mystery that we boot PWnD toons for "just their tag"? I know I do it. This really isn't very complicated. If I really believed that some AO/RK players didn't know why we don't party with you/KoS you, then I would post an explanation, but wait a moment, several people have beaten me to it (bargeld, mining, elda).

However, I expect all this is very well known amongst AO/RK players, so I can't imagine there being much real confusion on your side. For me this isn't a "king of the hill" issue where I will start to party with PWND/RR/TLB if MA/SL become dominant; this is a "I will never group with PWND/RR/TLB except in extenuating circumstances like DM events" thing.

[neil420]

i was trying to make a joke out of it i really thought you dropped your shield.you said you dropped your shield.

[Blystos Re]

Darn, I thought this would be a [censored] board

I have to agree, I was thoroughly disappointed. There's no 3-way in here...the good kind or otherwise.
Can we get a mod to change the thread title? It's misleading and it makes me sad.

...thought that "Never let a FoN stand behind you" comment was dead on with what I thought this topic was all about.

[Rainswept]

If you want to win the relic event you have to beat off everyone else it dose not matter if there working together or against each other you still have to beat them all.

The point is that it's not possible to beat 2 teams. The faction that realizes they cannot win can simply choose the winner, with no way to prove or disprove intentions. When Faction 1 guards their relics, and faction 2 takes the relics from faction 3, in any given heat... Faction 3 can simply raid over and over, pulling it out losing it, and giving faction 2 points. Faction 2 may or may not be stronger than faction 1. the next heat Faction 1 takes faction 3's relics, and this time faction 3 decides not to raid. Neither faction 1 nor 2 were able to take relics from the other in either raid, but faction 2 wins because of what faction 3 decides.

There was one heat last time when NC scored point after point, without even holding their own relic.