How to compare builds

[Shadowalker]

Yeah, I agree with Crazy.

Also, the main reason why I was able to solo ice giants (at 20) with a cleric helping, is that I was getting... 6 AC, 5 AB, huge amounts of damage and cure crits/haste directed to me. Cleric / dex WM / bard of those levels could solo the *outer* rooms too.

Trust me, I wish I could actually solo ice giants by myself.

*twig speak* Just cuase we have voices in our heads doesnt make it any less of a solo effort, right Mining? Or could other people see this cleric to?

[Ryddwillow]

Wow, I read this whole post from beginning to end, amazing for me because mostly it is about how my build sucks and you keep pking me and I want revenge and tell everyone on forums how you should be nerfed.

After being here for years and seeing all kinds of builds, my assumption is that not 1 build is superior here. I have seen many a nerfs here most then any of you. There is always 1 build that can pk an other - period (without nerfs). The builder is the eye of his idol, in other words, if you suck or need a boost ask other ppl or guild members to help out by submitting a line by line advancement table so the other person can understand where you are going with your toon. Most every faction will help so you can be a solid advancement in their party.

*NC = COTS good tanks with high saves and made with fighter or pally an awesome tank, COTS with monks also a good variety. the rest except pure pallys is the same with everyone else. Pure fighters here with jobs from NC increase your fighter. The NC need mages of good aligned.

MA = PALMASTERs, good tanks with a awesome friend and limits to mage spells. (Nerfs to palemaster were from a dex pm). Every other class is the same with everyone else. Monks without PM abilities would be an asset to this faction. Ranger is a sub class here to be in this faction. (Rangers are just not in the woods)

SL = Assassins are awesome if you can play them. You need to build them right to be effective. Their DC outside of of Menzo is'nt that great, but awesome for defending. Every other class is the same. Ranger would be effective multiclass with ASSASSIN. (Rangers are just not in the woods).

RK = DwD are an awesome build here if built right. A 30 DwD is a fat Dwarf absorbing mostly every blow. They have every class available to them, most then any other faction. Every other class is the same. Only dwarfs should be in RK. (Meaning no other faction can use dwarfs).

AO = RDD is an awesome toon but, remember that a rdd dragon is not as the same as a DRUID DRAGON from TC.(The Gods gave it to you) RDD brings strength to any build. Every other class is the same. AO does need JOBS to be equal with everyone else!
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*TC = Shifter, Shifter has many a shapes and find a shape that suits your interest. A wild sorc of neutral alignment would be a great asset here. Every other class is the same.


Remember how you build is the result of the outcome.


* = mages or sorc from all other factions have a superior advantage in dispelling their opponents, then a bard or a cleric in TC or NC. Dispelling an opponent to nothing defeats them completely.

[dethonlegs]

It's been near 6 months since the PM nurfs came in and I have not seen one new Summoner build made since then.

It's a shame the build doesn't inspire people anymore.

Cant say what other PM mixes have been done since, but it's certainly not a common choice.

[Shadowalker]

Ok, I need to be commited... I followed the following post word for word and never got lost, either Willow ate his Wheaties and drank his Olvaltine, or Ive mastered his linguinstic code. (in either case, I still cant spell)

Wow, I read this whole post from beginning to end, amazing for me because mostly it is about how my build sucks and you keep pking me and I want revenge and tell everyone on forums how you should be nerfed.

After being here for years and seeing all kinds of builds, my assumption is that not 1 build is superior here. I have seen many a nerfs here most then any of you. There is always 1 build that can pk an other - period (without nerfs). The builder is the eye of his idol, in other words, if you suck or need a boost ask other ppl or guild members to help out by submitting a line by line advancement table so the other person can understand where you are going with your toon. Most every faction will help so you can be a solid advancement in their party.

*NC = COTS good tanks with high saves and made with fighter or pally an awesome tank, COTS with monks also a good variety. the rest except pure pallys is the same with everyone else. Pure fighters here with jobs from NC increase your fighter. The NC need mages of good aligned.

MA = PALMASTERs, good tanks with a awesome friend and limits to mage spells. (Nerfs to palemaster were from a dex pm). Every other class is the same with everyone else. Monks without PM abilities would be an asset to this faction. Ranger is a sub class here to be in this faction. (Rangers are just not in the woods)

SL = Assassins are awesome if you can play them. You need to build them right to be effective. Their DC outside of of Menzo is'nt that great, but awesome for defending. Every other class is the same. Ranger would be effective multiclass with ASSASSIN. (Rangers are just not in the woods).

RK = DwD are an awesome build here if built right. A 30 DwD is a fat Dwarf absorbing mostly every blow. They have every class available to them, most then any other faction. Every other class is the same. Only dwarfs should be in RK. (Meaning no other faction can use dwarfs).

AO = RDD is an awesome toon but, remember that a rdd dragon is not as the same as a DRUID DRAGON from TC.(The Gods gave it to you) RDD brings strength to any build. Every other class is the same. AO does need JOBS to be equal with everyone else!
=
*TC = Shifter, Shifter has many a shapes and find a shape that suits your interest. A wild sorc of neutral alignment would be a great asset here. Every other class is the same.


Remember how you build is the result of the outcome.


* = mages or sorc from all other factions have a superior advantage in dispelling their opponents, then a bard or a cleric in TC or NC. Dispelling an opponent to nothing defeats them completely.

[Daral0085]

Of course AO also gets druid dragons; so does RK, so it doesn't mean much to say that "TC druid dragon" is stronger than RDD dragon.

Anyway...

[Kromix]

I Think he meant shifter...

[Amoenotep]

the druid buffs make it harder than the RDD...shifter is the same way, its the buffs

[VagaStorm]

Ok, I need to be commited... I followed the following post word for word and never got lost, either Willow ate his Wheaties and drank his Olvaltine, or Ive mastered his linguinstic code. (in either case, I still cant spell)

Wow, I read this whole post from beginning to end, amazing for me because mostly it is about how my build sucks and you keep pking me and I want revenge and tell everyone on forums how you should be nerfed.

After being here for years and seeing all kinds of builds, my assumption is that not 1 build is superior here. I have seen many a nerfs here most then any of you. There is always 1 build that can pk an other - period (without nerfs). The builder is the eye of his idol, in other words, if you suck or need a boost ask other ppl or guild members to help out by submitting a line by line advancement table so the other person can understand where you are going with your toon. Most every faction will help so you can be a solid advancement in their party.

*NC = COTS good tanks with high saves and made with fighter or pally an awesome tank, COTS with monks also a good variety. the rest except pure pallys is the same with everyone else. Pure fighters here with jobs from NC increase your fighter. The NC need mages of good aligned.

MA = PALMASTERs, good tanks with a awesome friend and limits to mage spells. (Nerfs to palemaster were from a dex pm). Every other class is the same with everyone else. Monks without PM abilities would be an asset to this faction. Ranger is a sub class here to be in this faction. (Rangers are just not in the woods)

SL = Assassins are awesome if you can play them. You need to build them right to be effective. Their DC outside of of Menzo is'nt that great, but awesome for defending. Every other class is the same. Ranger would be effective multiclass with ASSASSIN. (Rangers are just not in the woods).

RK = DwD are an awesome build here if built right. A 30 DwD is a fat Dwarf absorbing mostly every blow. They have every class available to them, most then any other faction. Every other class is the same. Only dwarfs should be in RK. (Meaning no other faction can use dwarfs).

AO = RDD is an awesome toon but, remember that a rdd dragon is not as the same as a DRUID DRAGON from TC.(The Gods gave it to you) RDD brings strength to any build. Every other class is the same. AO does need JOBS to be equal with everyone else!
=
*TC = Shifter, Shifter has many a shapes and find a shape that suits your interest. A wild sorc of neutral alignment would be a great asset here. Every other class is the same.


Remember how you build is the result of the outcome.


* = mages or sorc from all other factions have a superior advantage in dispelling their opponents, then a bard or a cleric in TC or NC. Dispelling an opponent to nothing defeats them completely.

WOW! Willow made a post that sums up most of this thread, and made perfectly sence

The rdd dragon isent that diffrent from the druid dragon, exept it has one major nerf, but it can be overcome.

[Chernobyl_Glow]

funny. i read willow's post and while i was quite impressed that it was coherent, i felt like it was 499 words which offered not one single bit of insightful info. and i thought that was pretty impressive too.

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[burrahobbit]

the druid buffs make it harder than the RDD...shifter is the same way, its the buffs

True, but you can buff an RDD past a druid or shifter.

[VagaStorm]

the druid buffs make it harder than the RDD...shifter is the same way, its the buffs

True, but you can buff an RDD past a druid or shifter.

We'r not talking about that :p

[Amoenotep]

we're not talking about multiple players buffing each other...self buffs the druid wins.

[burrahobbit]

we're not talking about multiple players buffing each other...self buffs the druid wins.

Maybe because druids get GR and HB and dispells, in a strictly melee sence, an RDD has a higher presence. More attacks and higher ab.

[Daral0085]

Yeah, since most all dragons get fairly high AB and comparatively low AC, the extra attacks make a big difference.

[BlkMamba]

Yeah, since most all dragons get fairly high AB and comparatively low AC, the extra attacks make a big difference.

lol not hardly, but keep on trying to justify, as you can see
were not gonna argue this anymore, just gonna prove the point
then see what happens, enjoy cuz we sure will

Mamba