<Shamed> HEAR ME ROAR
<Shamed> God, Archael is a **** moron.
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<Mining> Archael = roguex?
<Shamed> yes
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<Mining> I just came up with a great idea.
<Mining> Lets show how completely broken EMA +12 shield is.
<Mining> And then have RogueX try to do the same with rogues in NC.
<Brilhasti> if you can still have AC in the 70s with EMA I don't see the problem
<Brilhasti> 78AC mages however is a problem
<Shamed> he would have 71 AC without the +12 shield ac
<Shamed> And if he uses a small shield, 79
<Shamed> So...
<Shamed> >_>
<Mining> Like I said, lets break it utterly with a build, and challenge them to do the same with rogues in NC.
<Mining> Any ideas?
<Mining> rogue/sorc/bg is an idea, thats doable in a few factions.
<Shamed> Go with Monk
<Mining> Yeah.
<Shamed> Because the utter retardation of +12 shield AC comes from Monks getting shield AC
<Mining> I want it to be a general faction thing though.
<Mining> Like; "Not only is this totally retarded, but you can do it here, here, here and here"
<Mining> I guess monk/sorc/bg?
<Shamed> Yes
<Mining> AO,RK and SL.
<Mining> So enough factions.
<Mining> Drow race?
<Shamed> It's not our fault that Archael builds crappy builds that have 24 caster levels
<Shamed> 24 Sorc/6 Monk/10 RDD
<Shamed> Heh.
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<Mining> Lol
<Mining> 30/5/5 seem decent enough to you?
<Brilhasti> what's all this nonsense about harpers being overpowered?
<Brilhasti> I've heard it a few times so far
<Mining> Harpers are sweet
<Brilhasti> compared to what?
<Mining> Well, for the right build lol
<Mining> i.e. AO thinks they mostly suck
<Brilhasti> I bet most are rangers
<Mining> yEAH.
<Shamed> Harpers are sexy
<Mining> The benefits really help rangers.
<Lokey> I tend to block monk abuse from my mind when thinking of things to do
<Mining> The sleep spell is nice.
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<Lokey> so you can swing 9x a round and wis to ac and free feats and good skill list...
<Mining>
<Mining> 10x a round if you're well built :p
<Lokey> 12 shield ac + cha dodge ac is high 80s
<Mining> Yeah.
<Lokey> 4 rdd + monk + 12 shield is low 80s
<Lokey> those are the die to caster no hitpoint toons we saw a lot of
<Mining> If they can't think up a good reason to not have rogues in NC- by which I mean a good build- will you put it in?
<Lokey> uncanny reflex is too good for NC
<Mining> Will AO realise that?
<Shamed> But uncanny dodge isn't
<Mining> Shamed wins.
<Mining> Sorry Lokey, but unless you want this all over the boards you need to put it in :p
<Brilhasti> Uncanny Dodge is about as useful as regular Dodge
<Mining> What?
<Shamed> Uncanny dodge is decent.
<Mining> Regular dodge is great.
<Lokey> tell that to my no ab shadowdancers
<Lokey> hate rogues
<Mining> 1 more AC, whats not to like.
<Brilhasti> its not like you don't lose most of your AC anyway
<Mining> Its like a preepic armor skin.
<Brilhasti> you get a little bit of AC, but in most cases that won't help anyway
<Mining> Oh come on Bril. 18 AC from dex is a massive loss.
<Lokey> 18!
<Shamed> Bril: You should give my pure bard evasion and Monster Uncanny dodge to make up for nerfing him
<Mining> I get 17 on a kobold shifter.
<Brilhasti> but you lose, what 10ish anyway? At that point it doesn't matter
<Mining> And that has no great dex.
<Lokey> yah, but you have other crippling weaknesses
<Brilhasti> Uncanny Dodge sucks
<Mining> You lose 20 from dodge, 8 tumble.
<Mining> 78-28=50 AC.
<Mining> Lokey's builds won't hit that for [censored].
<Brilhasti> oh yeah tumble... so you still lose like 15-20 with UD
<Mining>
<Mining> Oh, my bad.
<Mining> Kobold shifter gets 54 FF.
<Brilhasti> if you have 40ab, which is low even for a SD, you can hit most folks even if they have UD
<Shamed> anyway, can we just call Rogue a moron and be done with it?
<Mining> Sure.
<Brilhasti> 50ab is pretty easy for any SD
<Lokey> you can get epic dodge in nc...just not on CoT
<Lokey> rogue would allow that
<Brilhasti> give all CoTs epic dodge and hips then?
<Brilhasti> and declare them rulers of all Atheria
<Lokey> how good would that be though?
<Shamed> [23:47:01] <Brilhasti> 50ab is pretty easy for any SD
<Brilhasti> very?
<Mining> Weeeelll, 14 dex mod + 25 BAB = 39 AB + 8 weapon + 1 blinding = 48 AB.
<Shamed> Shishio only had 49 AB pre wipe unbuffed
<Shamed> :p
<Lokey> compared to normal CoT
<Brilhasti> well shishio was a sucky duergar
<Shamed> Yes, he was.
<Shamed> Whereas McNinja hits like 58 self buffed.
<Brilhasti> dorfs don't count as real players
<Brilhasti> GetIsPC(oDwarf) returns FALSE
<Mining> Well, even with rogues in NC, we still couldn't make 72AB/85AC CoTs with epic dodge.
<Mining> Quite frankly with team buffs a rog/wm is even more disgusting :p
<Lokey> monk 6/rogue 10 needed?
<Mining> 9/10
<Mining> or 13 rogue.
<Mining> So 13 rogue.
<Lokey> 6/13/21?
<Shamed> I am going to build a handaxe rogue/ftr/wm one day
<Shamed> With epic dodge
<Shamed> and high 70s AC
<Shamed> and giggle
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<Mining> I'd go with cleric 2/rogue13/CoT 25
<Mining> DM/DS/EDodge/25wrath.
<Lokey> min cler 5
<Mining> really?
<Mining> I'm not taking it in epic.
<Lokey> no dipping
<Mining> Really?
<Lokey> I forget, changes a lot
<Mining> 90% sure its anything you like preepic except for the 'dedicated' classes.
<Mining> Being pally/PRC/monk,
<Lokey> can get away with 2 bard pre-epic
<Lokey> maybe others
<Lokey> cler 2 enough? extend, dm, ds?
<Mining> Damn.
<Mining> Extend/shield key ones.
<Lokey> might!
<Lokey> hurting stuff > ac
<Mining> AC > Damage.
<Lokey> except when...
<Mining> Else STR builds would rule the server
<Lokey> it's stackable div damage
<Mining> Hmph.
<Lokey> well you have high 60s or better base ac or bigby eats you
<Mining> Yeah.
<Lokey> after that, not as important
<Mining> Or, rather, everyone turns on IE.
<Mining> You need at least 74 AC imo.
<Lokey> limited # of options to get there
<Mining> If you aren't STR based and hitting for 100s.
<Lokey> so be CoT and dex based and do that
<Mining> BS CoTs hit for 100s dex based
<Lokey> 40 div
<Lokey> wait, less now
<Mining> Yeah.
<Mining> Frog's 25 CoT was doing ~ 20 divine a hit.
<Mining> Maybe 25.
<Mining> I can't recall if that was vs evil or good though.
<Shamed> It was against evil
<Shamed> iirc.
<Shamed> And he was 30 CoT.
<Lokey> 18, 27 v evil
<Lokey> out of 30cha
<Lokey> can toe to toe a buffed RDD
<Lokey> lol even when wearing the wrong IA robe
<Mining> Yours is shieldless isn't it?
<Shamed> Would need Zotreth's robes.
<Mining> No good anyway then...
<Mining> Anyway, is a moot point. After you get level 1 spells you can take extend on a rogue level.
<Mining> Sneak attack go through to crit partially?
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<Shamed> SUCCESS
<Shamed> I JUST HIT 35
<Shamed> WOO
<Shamed> Weapon upgrade time
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<Mining>
<Mining> Well, I'm willing to make a decent compromise. If you can personally prove that rogues in NC would create more issues than +12 shield EMA, with a specific build plan, I will stop pushing for it
. If you cannot prove that, then you clearly also vote for rogues in NC. <Mining> :p
<Lokey> no epic dodging imp sneak attacking CoTs!
<Mining> Sneak attack?
<Mining> Pfft.
<Mining> I'm just using it as a way of stopping any useful debate on EMA +12 by invoking the NC rogues rule :p
<Mining> If NC rogues do less crazy stuff, then you vote for NC rogues.
<Mining> Seriously, whats the maddest thing? 85 AC, 70 AB EDodging high damage?
<Mining> Don't, uh, WMs do that already?
<Mining> Its like that Hitler rule. Freezes discussions just as well as a thread lock
<Turnip> Godwin's Law.
<Turnip> It indicates the point that marks the end of all hope for intelligent debate.
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<Mining> Hmm, anyone know the stats on IGMS reflecting robes?
<Brilhasti> none
<Lokey> whatever you can magic vestment onto them
<Mining> Or mage armor
<Mining> They actually robes?
<Mining> or light armor or something.
<Lokey> yah, should be light armor
<Lokey> that would rock
<Brilhasti> they're robes
<Mining> Cool.
<Mining> Getting ~ 90 AC on my plan right now, willing to drop a few AC for IGMS immunity.
<Lokey> and with rogue that'd be?
<Mining> monk/BG.
<Mining> ./sorc
<Mining> No EDodge, but meh.
<Lokey> caps dodge easily
<Brilhasti> my rogue/pm was great at raiding... number one [censored] kept killing himself with his own IGMS
<Brilhasti> he was crazy mad
<Mining>
<Mining> Thus the addition of IGMS robes into his closet of death.
<Lokey> alright
<Lokey> 10 base, 8 tumble, 5 def, 5 nat, stats, monk level, what else?
<Lokey> say 15 total dex + wis
<Lokey> 44 + 20 dodge?
<Lokey> imp exp?
<Lokey> well 20 total dex + wis still isn't very hot
<Lokey> with 6 armor it sounds good
<Mining> Umm
<Lokey> where else you scraping ac from?
<Mining> 10 base + 20 dex/wis + 1 monk + 8 tumble + 5 def + 5 nat + 19 dodge (5 boots + 13 DS + 1 haste)+ 4-6 armor + 12 EMA from the ppoint of the build
<Mining> Remember build point is to show EMA +12 is way too good.
<Mining> 84-86 AC.
<Lokey> the ones I've seen built like that had horrid hp
<Mining> 650 HP.
<Lokey> ones I've seen
<Mining> AC could go higher too.
<Lokey> build a pure caster where 20 shield ac is enough to survive a round
<Mining> +2 armor shield I forgot.
<Lokey> 2 epic feat
<Lokey> any way that is the problem. it's not enough to make pure caster survivable and still be able to have good spell dcs, etc
<Mining> 2 less CHA mod for 2 more dex mod.
<Lokey> but mix monk and whatnot
<Mining> So with a bard hanging around; 10 base + 22 dex/wis + 1 monk + 8 tumble + 5 def + 5 nat + 20 dodge (5 boots + 11 DS + 1 haste + 3 bard)+ 4-6 armor + 12 EMA from the ppoint of the build
<Mining> So a total of 93 AC.
<Lokey> 32 cha mod. recast every 11 rounds
<Mining> *87
<Mining> 89-91 AC.
<Lokey> the point of it was do it with lower dex/wis and be str based and still have low 80s ac
<Mining> Yeah.
<Mining> But I'm trying to show that even with casters it gets silly.
<Lokey> what are you casting at dc 36?
<Mining> IGMS.
<Lokey> that might get lowbies
<Mining> Horrid Wilting.
<Mining> :p
<Lokey> 40 area damage, 140 single that can be counterspelled by any caster (even a bard)
<Mining> True.
<Mining> But god, I have 6 9th levels without gear or +8 cha gear.
<Lokey> dc36 doesn't have a chance of hitting someone's bad save
<Mining> Thats like... 10 9th levels spells for a non-cha based sorc.
<Lokey> 29sorc?
<Mining> 30.
<Lokey> free kd is not to be taken lightly
<Mining> Screw 10% more monk speed lol.
<Lokey> alright, so mord an sr subrace and you hit them all the time
<Lokey> otherwise 1/2
<Mining> Anyways, Lokey, can you come up with a more broken Rogue/CoT?
<Lokey> bg has spot?
<Mining> No detect.
<Mining> Which makes me sad.
<Mining> Can always shapechange: Dragon anyways.
<Mining> Or golem if that one isn't sneak immune.
<Lokey> rogue/cot sneaks up behind you and hits you 6 times ignoring most of your ac for weap + 20d6 sneak
<Mining> How does it sneak you?
<Lokey> hips makes it easier, it isn't needed
<Mining> I mean, how does it sneak you. I understand how to cornersneak
<Lokey> if you aren't actively engaging that attacker, it's a sneak
<Lokey> you put points in skills. push button
<Lokey> listen without amplify is horrid
<Lokey> even with isn't so hot
<Mining> Still don't see how thats more broken, than, say the average SD>
<Lokey> cot ab, saves, etc
<Mining> How many attacks per round this CoT get?
<Lokey> 400
<Lokey> could probably do 16bab
<Lokey> remember CoT has really steep recs
<Mining> If it gets more than 5, it lacks Divine Might, shield, extend.
<Lokey> monk
<Lokey> 15 bab = 5 main hand
<Mining> And if you want Edodge, then you're lacking in the ability to go paladin to get more than 5.
<Lokey> pali add enough?
<Mining> Well, I'm assuming you want more than 20 CoT
<Lokey> cha to saves is nice. immune to fear and disease by 4 is nice
<Mining> If you go 13/7/20 or something, it defeats the point.
<Lokey> though probably redundant
<Mining> 13/5/22
<Lokey> 10 CoT is a nice boost to many builds
<Mining> Anyways, you really need to be A) fast to sneak, B) have extend spell to be a CoT.
<Lokey> with extend, that lasts 3 minutes or so?
<Mining> At that stage wrath is just a toy.
<Mining> 4 mins.
<Mining> 10 cha + 10 CoT x2
<Lokey> it's ab you probably don't need
<Mining> CoTs don't have staying power anyway.
<Mining> Then, why the hell go CoT.
<Lokey> don't need it
<Mining> Get better results just going rogue/monk/BG.
<Mining> Therefore...
<Mining> NC should get rogue
<Lokey> I like my rog 28 monk 6 sd 6
<Mining> Well, how does that show NC shouldn't get rogue./
* Mining hopes Shamed reads this in the morning and lols
<Mining> I posted build as a challenge to the EMAdefenders.
<Mining> Hopefully I'll regret it.
<Lokey> make it hogre
<Mining> Its like a CoT.
<Mining> Make it hogre and things get ugly
<Lokey> yah, needs lots of different stats
<Mining> You need bonuses to all of the stats HOgre lowers lol.
<Mining> And 14 str, some con is enough.
<Lokey> need for pa, can take first level
<Mining> Oh, and AO/SL can make that build nowadays.
<Lokey> for something that lowers str
<Mining> Yeah.
<Mining> But drow is ideal.
<Mining> +dex, int, charisma.
<Mining> Don't really need int, but it lets you semi-dump int.
<Mining> Posted it under the EMA topic.
<Mining> Also, as a hogre, HP would be better too. I don't really like the lowish HPs. I would probably boost HP at the cost of some wis.
<Lokey> there's something else rogue can do I'm not thinking of
<Mining> EDOdge?
<Lokey> besides the big one
<Mining> Crippling/Uncanny?
<Lokey> crippling isn't that exciting
<Lokey> I'd take that before most of the bonus feats though
<Lokey> skill mastery, the will one though usually means you roll two 1s in a row
<Mining> Slippery?
<Mining> Most of NC is good on will saves.
<Mining> Normally I'd still make SDs in TC lol.
<Mining> job bonuses are good in TC for sneaks.'
<Mining> So yeah, if you can prove that rogues would give NC an advantage over other factions, I will admit that you win.
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<Lokey> enable timestamps
<Lokey> didn't know it was up to me to figure that out at all, let alone now
<Lokey> thematic reason plus something I forget
<Lokey> something that made more sense when it was a level 20 mod
<Mining> Thematicswise I don't think you have too much of an issue.
<Mining> Just pass it through as diplomats and scouts.
<Mining> And in 20 levels, it is broken
<Lokey> because pali or bard can't do the first and ranger sucks at the second?
<Lokey> why did they get ranger anyway?
<Mining> Why wouldn't they?
<Mining> Also, paladin diplomat?
* Mining shudders
<Mining> Could pass it off as spy too.
<Lokey> bard
<Mining> Meh.
<Mining> Every other faction gets rogue anyways.
<Lokey> rogue for nc, cot for all!
<Mining> Lol.
<Mining> Monk for MA, PM for all? Thats the same thing
<Mining> If you really want to look into indispensable roleplay, the untrustworthy person in the pub rolling dice
<Mining> There's one in every sufficiently large town, soldiery or holy city
<Lokey> just kill them. saves a lot of time usually
<Mining> Really?
<Mining> I normally get all my best leads on where they are from there
<Lokey> yah, they'll send you on a hard mission for some small reward then backstab you
<Mining> Hmm.
<Mining> It was probably for the massive skill points Lokey.
<Mining> Alignment restrictions: None
<Mining> At level 1, a 10 int rogue has 32 ranks.
<Lokey> nah, there aren't that many critical skills to take
<Mining> So build X that doesn't *need* 20 levels, takes 1 rogue for masses of skills.
<Mining> Especially when at 20 you get 21 max.
<Mining> 1 rogue at level 1 gets you 1 of them, and 2 maxed out skills.
<Mining> Assuming remainder pally.
<Mining> 2 rogue also gets evasion.
<Mining> Anyways, I need to go.
<Lokey> need to zzz
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<Kromix|away> anyone else sees 2 shameds?
<Kromix|away> bah bug
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<Zerg> hi
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<Zerg> hi Naeblis
<Naeblis> hullo
<Zerg> hows it going?
<Naeblis> not bad just waiting for hte wife to wake so i can go to bed, nice rainy day perfect for sleep
<Naeblis> you?
<Kromix|away> shake her out of bed
<Kromix|away>
<Zerg> lol
<Naeblis> nah she has to work 11-close today and will be up in abotu 30 misn to shower anyway
<Kromix|away> tunr the hot water off
<Zerg> i expect it would be bad for Naeblis if he shook her out of bed or did that
<Naeblis> well if i was nekid and giving her a shake she may not mind, but best to leave sleepin lions lie
<Zerg> lol
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<Mining> Shamed, PMs.
<Mining> Retard.
<Shamed> what
<Mining> "Epic Warding snouldn't been nerfed"
<Mining> "crits.
<Mining> PMs, dumbs***.
<Shamed> Eh, you could still do damage to PMs via searing lights.
<Shamed> Or just make Epic Warding unavailable to take for PMs
<Shamed> Epic Warding is incredibly short lasting
<Shamed> Running relics, won't matter
<Shamed> In a quick defense battle, it will help
<Mining> Wasn't it 1 round per cl?
<Shamed> No idea, I just remember it lasting incredibly short on my Wiz/SD
<Shamed> Plus Epic Warding is worth bringing back simply because of the awesome awesome graphic it had
<Mining> Yeah.
<Mining> Those graphics should stay there.
<Mining> Though it does bring in the threat of PMs running around nearly unkillable with the summons of Saruon.
<Mining>
<Shamed> Nah, like I said
<Mining> Also, did you need the smiter?
<Shamed> It's too short
<Shamed> I got a Blade of the Abyss from Zerg
<Mining> Ok, kewl.
<Mining> That one's a little better IIRC?
<Shamed> Though the smiter might have better damage, let me check
<Shamed> Yeah, the Blade of the Abyss has better damage
<Shamed> By 2 damage though lol
<Mining> Thought so.
<Mining> Far harder drop lol.
<Mining> I'm not gonna be around for the next ~ week
<Shamed> Eh, the Abyss one has 10% divine and cold vulns
<Mining> Meh.
<Shamed> Finally getting that new comp, eh?
<Mining> Nope
<Mining> On camp.
<Shamed> You should whine to your parents until they buy you the new computer
<Mining> Rogues in NC:
<Mining> <Lokey> something that made more sense when it was a level 20 mod
<Shamed> I saw that
<Mining> Yeah.
<Mining> Be proud of my logical debating skills :p
<Shamed> I am
<Shamed> Soon my young apprentice
<Mining> For one day I shall get us rogues, and we shall have the SDs to deal with 81 AC mages
<Shamed> You will become the object of hatred for AO/RK
<Mining>
<Shamed> But you'll never take over as leader of the NC Troupe of Whiners
<Mining> No.
<Shamed> That position is forever mine.
<Mining> For I shall abolish them, by removing things to whine about
<Mining> :p
<Mining> I mean, once we have rogues, all we need are mages and you can stop whining :')
<Shamed> Yessss.
<Mining> But seriously, rogues aren't that broken balance wise in NC.
<Mining> Or even broken at all.
<Shamed> I should build my old Mage/SD in MA
<Mining> What build was it?
<Shamed> Gary used to be a beast at playing that build
<Shamed> Wiz 35/ SD 5
<Shamed> Divination and Abjuration Focuses
<Shamed> Scary powerful SD killer when he played i
<Shamed> it*
<Mining> Make it 80+AC too
<Mining> BTW shamed, burra's criticism of our genius was very harsh :p.
<Mining> I never tell them to not take ESF parry.
<Shamed> I do :'(
<Zerg> lol
<Shamed> I'm too nice for me own good
<Shamed> Whenever someone brings up building I automatically correct the build and make it good
<Mining> I just make sure they realise that they need improved parry, SF parry, and 20 dex, int to do it well
<Zerg> one of the GODS has a wiz SD who will spot
<Shamed>
<Edge> I think you both have the kings of whining award in the bag
<Mining> I also mention 7 apr minimum, so monk or double weapon is needed.
<Shamed> I also have the king of insulting in the bag.
<Shamed> GO get raped by a chainsaw, Edge.
<Shamed> :0
<Edge> wow
<Edge> that whould hurt
<Mining> I have the king of beating shamed's builds in the bag
<Shamed> Not really.
* Mining laughs at shamed
<Shamed> You've done it once.
<Mining> Shamed also has the king of denying mining's victories in the bag.
<Mining> And? You only have 4 builds.
<Shamed> XD
<Shamed> Fair enough.
<Mining> A 25% make it better rate is awesome lol.
<Shamed> Actually, I only have two builds.
<Edge> just reading though all of the continuing posts on the mage nerf make me laugh just a bit
<Shamed> Every thing else I've ripped off and made better.
<Mining> Lol.
<Shamed> Shishio wasn't my build.
<Edge> the horse is dead...really....dont need to keep kicking it
<Shamed> It was built for me when I was a wee nublet on the server.
<Shamed> Torres, was my build. Black Burn is every other generic bard out there with better gear and done with a +4 cha
<Mining> Hmm.
<Shamed> Judgement, my build.
<Shamed> I'll give you you made Judgement better.
<Mining> A lot better.
<Shamed> You made him better by one spell penetration point.
<Shamed> >_>
<Mining> I've been getting PMs as to why I'm beatin their SR more often, and why they aren't dispelling all of my buffs.
<Shamed> Stop it, my ego can't take it anymore.
<Shamed> But yeah.
<Mining> Also 3 SR and dispel resistance
<Shamed> I'll eventually fix Judgement.
<Mining> Thats... 10 levels down?
<Shamed> I'm not sure.
<Shamed> I can't really remember.
<Mining> And he's also sitting on ~ a 1 million XP glut lol
<Shamed> Yeah.
<Shamed> D:
<Mining> Good luck :p
<Shamed> I'll have to get a DM to delevel for me.
<Edge> no
<Zerg> lol
<Shamed> The problem is I'm reluctant to fix him since I use him so often.
<Mining> Rebuild him?
<Mining> Mwahaha
<Shamed> No.
<Mining> :p
<Shamed> Used +4 wis and +2 con on him.
<Mining> Lets face it, you're never gonna be able to rebuild him.
<Shamed> I will eventually.
<Mining> I'd wager a +2 charisma on it.
<Mining> That you don't.
<Shamed> When I stop being lazy.
<Zerg> lol
<Shamed> Which might be...never.
<Mining> by the end of the month.
<Shamed> BUT YEAH.
<Zerg> he built judgement to repalce shamed
<Shamed> Yeah, not happening by the end of the month.
<Shamed> Maybe when we stamp out PWnD again.
<Mining> Or hell, even by the end of the year.
<Mining> I gtg
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<Shamed> Later
<Zerg> lol
<Zerg> yaknow id id think of making Melchett that way but dient for the extra feat lol
<Kromix|away> no but yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah!
<Kromix|away> well, actually meh...
<Zerg> lol
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<Mining> Since when did parents give correct times of departure
<Kromix|away> pwnd?
<Edge> pants on the floor!!!
<Mining> vsa
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figures. RL I get blamed for everything, FoN blames me for everything, and now you too.