Epic Mage Armor nerf........

[Cyrian]

if EMA and EW scale with caster level. seriously.

[Shamedmonkey]

Yeah i think this horse is dead simply because the claims now being made are way off-target and are becoming less and less truthful. I honestly don't want to start throwing out the details to builds for the purpose of proving others wrong. The player vs the build argument is just plain silly imo. The more recent posts about the 93 ac this vs the 98 ac that, some of us already know them. Some of us have already built them. Often times they never make it into the public eye because the creators don't want to incite the obvious nerf. Other times an enemy will build an OP build to prove a point that something really SHOULD get nerfed.

OP builds don't become much of an issue until they become moderately popular, which is exactly where this all began. A couple scything/battleaxing mording tensor monk sorc bgs on the opposite ends of the battlefield made it glaringly obvious that something was 'broken', for lack of a better word. The EMA nerf that was dished out to address certain builds has the unfortunate side effect of crippling a decent ability for the non-specialized builds. Similar happened with the PM nerf, but you didn't hear many complaints cuz the impact on the playerbase wasn't as big.

For me, the devs have heard all they need to hear and the sad truth is that this particular situation has no 'good' solution. It's kind of like the problems with tweaking shifters so they are just right. One change to an OP ability on one build always has a ripple effect. I'd love to see and hear a good solution to the EMA/EW issue, but i think we can all agree that it won't a be a community contribution that spurs it to happen.

/imdone

How do you not understand that it wasn't a crippling nerf because Mages had the exact same spell EMA wise pre wipe? Everyone pretty much agreed mages were the most powerful thing then, at least as I recall it was agreed (THough, I have heard that EMA isn't the original spell that it was then- it used to be +5 armor AC, +5 dodge, +5 natural, and +5 deflect. An extremely powerful spell for one feat).

I said earlier that Epic Warding shouldn't have ever been nerfed. I wonder if it will be unnerfed.

/imdone

[Nyeleni]

well, most people discern that by listening to the players who experience it. im sure this server wouldn't have the number of players it has if the staff was just doing some gnarly guesswork.

where's gary gygax when you need him?

What does GG have to do with this? If you go with his rules, they were the worst possible sometimes. I rather use other rpg creators as a rule of thumb. But aside from that:

TC chars don't die as fast as a mage, because more hp and better dr simply means more survivability. But a shifter, druid or bard will never be able to kill something else as fast as a mage either. It's all give and take, and mages are doing well all-in-all.
They are maybe a bit overmatched in pvp with a lot of ppl? Sure, but that happens to other low hp chars like sneakers too, if they get spotted. Live or die with it, I guess.

[Cyrian]

mages may kill one to five opponents very fast every ten or so times they die. by default it will usually (if not always) be a negative kill to death ratio. that is not fun or balanced compared to any of the other pure classes. that is the topic of this post. something is wrong. please focus. thanks.

[Tru3Fals3]

we still whipping this dead horse eh? ema is nerfed, it wont be unnerfed this time, my mages got hit too, i still play them, they still kill people and they still die, i run more now, **** happens, lets move on

[Nyeleni]

mages may kill one to five opponents very fast every ten or so times they die. by default it will usually (if not always) be a negative kill to death ratio. that is not fun or balanced compared to any of the other pure classes. that is the topic of this post. something is wrong. please focus. thanks.

Please focus on a thread? I might as well tell you to grow up, it is as constructive. Besides as others pointed out, the horse is beaten and it's impossible to make it "deader". If you really are expecting something from this point on, youre prone to delusions.
It might change in the future, but the devs have clearly other stuff on their agenda atm. I only agree on the issue that mages don't have enough versatility at hand. I don't think they die too fast, they die as fast as they should.

[Cyrian]

lol when everyone's tired of seeing good points they bring out the "dead horse" argument hoping staff will take their stance. seems to work here too. i don't really care about EMA, but i don't think that's what it's about anymore at page 23. it is, however, still very much about mages.

btw asking people to focus on a thread, on a message board, is about 1000x more constructive than telling someone you've never met to grow up. on a message board. on the interwebs. lols. yes, i must be prone to delusions.

[TheEdge]

The horse is dead. Has been. But hey, feel free to keep on kicking it. If it helps one cope great just watching how badly the horse will get mutulated after such punishment of constant kicking is entertaining enough.

[Cyrian]

lol when everyone's tired of seeing good points they bring out the "dead horse" argument hoping staff will take their stance. seems to work here too.

i was right

[Nyeleni]

Err yes, truth is subjective I guess, but prove me wrong that you dont have to have the last word .

[Rufio]

Err yes, truth is subjective I guess, but prove me wrong that you dont have to have the last word .

I am vulnerable to this last word phenomenon.

[Shamedmonkey]

Err yes, truth is subjective I guess, but prove me wrong that you dont have to have the last word .

I am vulnerable to this last word phenomenon.

So am I.

[burrahobbit]

Me too

[Kromix]

i play wizard and you all suck at it... ive seen 1 or 2 good wizard players out there during my lifetime in NS4.

i dont whine i just pk.

[burrahobbit]

i play wizard and you all suck at it... ive seen 1 or 2 good wizard players out there during my lifetime in NS4.

i dont whine i just pk.

Maybe you should go back and read again about players who think they play mages better than they actually do

To be truthful, and you all know i dont like to do that..... I dont think i have ever seen Kromix play anything, bring out your mage!!! I wanna see how its done

I'd say "i'm done", but we all know thats not true.

*tapes and glues horse back together, starts kicking whipping and beating it again*