Epic Mage Armor nerf........

[LinuxPup]

I had a mage with 78ac with EMA the way it was. Even at 78ac, I don't think you'll find ANYONE who'd say that toon was invincible. And that toon has been around awhile.

What's the AC on that character now?

[Amoenotep]

what about overlapping dr spells, robe selection and warding..doesnt count for anything?

[Lokey]

DR doesn't overlap anymore. Isn't like the good old days when our casters ruled the server with an iron fist.

[Amoenotep]

there still aren't many that use dr at all though...even if it doesn't do alot it still some

[mining]

Well, I'm willing to make a decent compromise. If you can personally prove that rogues in NC would create more issues than +12 shield EMA, with a specific build plan, I will stop pushing for it . If you cannot prove that, then you show that you think that rogues in NC are totally reasonable.

Sorcerer(30), Blackguard(5), Monk(5), Drow

STR: 12 (14)
DEX: 14 (22)
CON: 12 (18)
WIS: 12 (16)
INT: 12 (14)
CHA: 18 (20)

Drow: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness)
01: Monk(1): Toughness, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
02: Sorcerer(1)
03: Sorcerer(2): Extend Spell
04: Sorcerer(3): DEX+1, (DEX=15)
05: Monk(2): Great Strength I, Great Strength II, {Deflect Arrows}, (STR=14)
06: Sorcerer(4): Int+1, Power Attack, Great Intelligence I, Great Constitution I, (CON=13), (INT=14)
07: Sorcerer(5): Great Dexterity I, Great Wisdom I, (DEX=16), (WIS=13)
08: Sorcerer(6): DEX+1, Great Dexterity II, Great Wisdom II, (DEX=18), (WIS=14)
09: Blackguard(1): Spell Penetration, Great Constitution II, (CON=14)
10: Sorcerer(7): Great Charisma I, Great Charisma II, (CHA=20)
11: Sorcerer(8)
12: Sorcerer(9): CON+1, Maximize Spell, (CON=15)
13: Monk(3)
14: Sorcerer(10)
15: Sorcerer(11): Quicken Spell
16: Blackguard(2): CON+1, {Smite Good}, (CON=16)
17: Blackguard(3)
18: Blackguard(4): Divine Shield
19: Sorcerer(12)
20: Monk(4): DEX+1, (DEX=19)
21: Sorcerer(13): Armor Skin
22: Sorcerer(14)
23: Sorcerer(15)
24: Sorcerer(16): CON+1, Great Wisdom III, (CON=17), (WIS=15)
25: Sorcerer(17)
26: Sorcerer(18)
27: Sorcerer(19): Great Wisdom IV, (WIS=16)
28: Sorcerer(20): DEX+1, (DEX=20)
29: Sorcerer(21)
30: Sorcerer(22): Empower Spell
31: Sorcerer(23): Automatic Quicken Spell I
32: Sorcerer(24): DEX+1, (DEX=21)
33: Sorcerer(25): Epic Spell: Epic Mage Armor
34: Sorcerer(26): Automatic Quicken Spell II
35: Sorcerer(27)
36: Sorcerer(28): CON+1, Epic Spell: Epic Warding, (CON=18)
37: Sorcerer(29): Automatic Quicken Spell III
38: Sorcerer(30)
39: Blackguard(5): Epic Skill Focus: Discipline
40: Monk(5): DEX+1, (DEX=22)

Hitpoints: 410
Skillpoints: 179
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 31/31/30 <way more with gear, +12 just with attributes, another +2 or 3 from saves gear to all, comfortably.
Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +8, Mind Effects: +4
BAB: 23
AB (max, naked): 25 (melee), 29 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 30/32
Spell Casting: Sorcerer(9)
Alignment Changes: 0

Concentration 43(47), Discipline 43(55), Spellcraft 39(41), Tumble 40(46), remaining skillpoints 14

So with a bard hanging around; 10 base + 22 dex/wis + 1 monk + 8 tumble + 5 def + 5 nat + 20 dodge (5 boots + 11 DS + 1 haste + 3 bard)+ 4-6 armor + 12 EMA +2 AS
So a total of 93 AC.
Saves are rock solid too.

EDIT: books = great XYZ preepic.

[weasel423]

You cannot take Great Str, Wis, etc in pre-epic levels. Requires lvl 21+.... so your build is broken

edit: Unless those are books (I do those in the hidden columns in the CBC where you can put in bonus's for each stat)

[Daral0085]

Yes, that was him editing in books the lazy way. Unless there's some secret that allows one to take several epic feats per level... which there isn't... besides divine intervention anyway.

[Nyeleni]

It's not the lazy way. That excell sheet doesn't allow another way to change it . Or so I was told. Anyway, good stuff making now builds for the enemy, MM.
I always knew you weren't committed to our forest and northern causes .

[mining]

It's not the lazy way. That excell sheet doesn't allow another way to change it . Or so I was told. Anyway, good stuff making now builds for the enemy, MM.
I always knew you weren't committed to our forest and northern causes .

Given that build functions poorly without EMA +12, unless they can make a more broken NC rogue build...

IF they go to 19 pages saying EMA +12 shield isn't broken, and cannot make a more broken NC rogue, then NC should get rogues

[frogofpeace]

Exactly! Or just go the lazy route and give NC rogues.

[Cyrian]

team lazy route!

[Alkapwn]

DR doesn't overlap anymore. Isn't like the good old days when our casters ruled the server with an iron fist.

Epic Warding still stacks with robes i should hope?

[weasel423]

It's not the lazy way. That excell sheet doesn't allow another way to change it . Or so I was told. Anyway, good stuff making now builds for the enemy, MM.
I always knew you weren't committed to our forest and northern causes .

If you look at the columns on the "Character" sheet in the cbc, you will see the it skips from column AC to AP. First "unprotect" the sheet, then highlight the AC to the AP columns (either using shift or clicking on AC header and dragging to AP), and then right click and click "column width". Type in at least "3" (although the AP column will shrink because it is actually "17" wide).

You will now see a "Bonus" section where you can enter the appropriate adjustment at the level you are using the book (if using INT book at 10 to de-level to 9 and get the extra skill point, put the bonus 2 at lvl 9 to show the correct skill points). If you want to return the sheet to normal, highlight AD to AO and change the column width to 0 (also you can put the width of AP back to 17).

Now you don't have to do it the "lazy" way!

EDIT: Don't forget to re-protect your sheet when you are finished so you don't accidentally change something else.

[Shamedmonkey]

DR doesn't overlap anymore. Isn't like the good old days when our casters ruled the server with an iron fist.

I've said many times that Epic Warding shouldn't have been nerfed. It was the perfect balance between being able to take a hit and still taking damage on a crit.

[mining]

DR doesn't overlap anymore. Isn't like the good old days when our casters ruled the server with an iron fist.

I've said many times that Epic Warding shouldn't have been nerfed. It was the perfect balance between being able to take a hit and still taking damage on a crit.

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