Pale Master Nerf

[Frendel]

With the 2 changes to the way pale masters have been nerfed (both ema and pm ac) I have lost 10 ac just today. There was no mention of any trade-off to improve or even make them more interesting in any other way. They just suck more and the only thing making them worth the 30 lvl sacrifice is lost. The summon isn't worth having now because you won't be able to focus on controlling it because you'll have to run around and protect yourself from being knocked down the whole time making your offense wild and you'll end up being a detriment to the groups you're with because your summon is constantly running off because you can't focus on controlling it.

I now have less ac than my pure bard. Seriously. A pure bard (that's only 37 atm) with more ac than a Pale Master with 30 pm lvls? Can we at least have something useful like say better casting ability or a better Dev that cares about balance? 2 nerfs that close to each other both directed at PMs. I don't really care any more. I'm done with NS4. I quit. I'm going to just play EVE now because it's fun and cheap enough to not be a problem. That's why I like games like this, because they are fun. Enjoy yelling "whine" and whatever you say about this post. I won't see it and I'll be that much farther ahead in a good gaming environment.

And just for fun...stop whining! It's supposed to be challenging! Maybe you should build better! Good job Devs! Way to go! Maybe you'll get a job with NS4 as paid staff one day! Woot!

Bye to the people I liked, and the ones that I respected.

Frendel

[LinuxPup]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

[cRaZy8or5e]

Well Frendel, the only constant round here is change. Which despite the cries of outrage on all of our parts over the various changes, in my opinion change is still a good thing. I'm sure that if this current change shows that PM's as a class and specifically PM summoners are unplayable, more changes will come down the road.

I personally don't believe that any changes are necessary, PM summoners are still extremely powerful, they're just not the one man armies they used to be.

You can buy a summon control wand from Elvin the vendor. Great investment for summoner builds.

[Rufio]

I don't think the EMA nerf was aimed at PMs, but monk/mage combos that don't use shields but were getting shield ac and monk ac at the same time. Use a sheild (even a small shield works wonders if you don't have still spell) and and the ema nerf effectively reduces ac by a whole 1 point. It does suck a little bit if you are focused in a two handed weapon, but on all other builds the penalty for two handed weapons is less ac. Also, dexer pms like bolg are still going to have amazing acs. He was completely unhittable before. I don't think he is going to be much easier to kill now, he just might have to use a shield for once.

[Carejo]

It's all paper-rock-scissors. None of the nerfs really phase me, I understand they're necessary. They're all in the interest of balance and fun gameplay for everyone. Keep up the good work, Staff! =)

[neil420]

Bolg is so not unhittable my pure fighter can kd and disarm him.

[Amoenotep]

Bril nerfed my horribad PM

[Rufio]

Bolg is so not unhittable my pure fighter can kd and disarm him.

anyone can spam kds untill they roll a 20, no one ever said he had a high discipline

[Alkapwn]

yep good Palemaster builds are few and far between now.
lol i have 2 PM summoner builds in thier 30's that i won't even bother finishing now.
Too low of discipline and AC to be worth anything. Phalanx is still alright though. It's pretty funny that my PM' builds have less ac then most of my dex toons now hehe. How many times does PM need to be nerf'd , it's already a pretty vunerable class if you know how to fight one.

[LinuxPup]

I had a really good PM with 47 AC, but lots of DR. AC is less important for Pale Masters than it is for other builds... that said, they still get more AC than any other class + crit immunity (the most wanted bonus probably) + stun immunity (also a nice bonus). I saw a str-based PM on today with 70 AC... not too shabby, and it doesn't look like PMs are exactly hurting still.

[Lokey]

But you did this to my hogre!11!!!!

I'll have to build one that can actually hide someday (Without trickery domain cheese!)

[Daltian]

But you did this to my hogre!11!!!!

I don't think he changed your picture. It was you that did it to yourself.

[burrahobbit]

Bolg is so not unhittable my pure fighter can kd and disarm him.

anyone can spam kds untill they roll a 20, no one ever said he had a high discipline

Fighter kd token, otherwise he was whiffing away.

Killed me like 3 times when i was outnumbered 4 or 5 to 1 and started talking trash like they had won the Superbowl

Its a good change, they were hittable and kill-able b4, now its just easier.

[John]

[quote="cRaZy8or5e"]

I personally don't believe that any changes are necessary, PM summoners are still extremely powerful, they're just not the one man armies they used to be.

the nerf of PM ac has destoryed the PM altogether as far as what they are meant for, they are easily taken down W/O the nerf, i agree with almost ALL nerfs, ut this one is seriously ridiculous, and my opinion is a non bias one on account that i do not have a pm nor play them anymore for the moment, im trusting that the DEV staff will sort thru this as they have b4, but as of now, your decision to nerf the PM the way you have so far is ridiculous

[John]

But you did this to my hogre!11!!!!

I'll have to build one that can actually hide someday (Without trickery domain cheese!)

what does this have to do with the topic ?!