Epic Mage Armor nerf........

[rocketkai]

The builds that hit by this nerf most is the sorc/mnk/pal(or bg; 12AC minus), following by clr/brd/pm or any other 30PM (str based two-handed whielder; almost 12AC minus, only if they switch back to one-hand+shield, but that's not the kernal for this group of builds, right?), following by wiz/mnk(rog)/sdd and sorc/mnk/rdd and most of other wiz(sorc)/mnk type builds (7ac minus), following by clr/brd/pm(dex based shield whielder; 6ac minus), then the least affected 7wiz/3rog/30pm or other types of dex-based shield wielding mixed pm (e.g., 17wiz/13rog/10pm) or pure pm (1ac minus).

So "luck" my sorc/mnk/bg just hit lvl12 and I dont need to waste any more time on it...

[Alkapwn]

meh it's fine. I'll still kill you all
I started this thread because +6 shield ac for EMA was retarded. +5 dodge is alright. still kills a couple builds but still decent

[cRaZy8or5e]

meh it's fine. I'll still kill you all
I started this thread because +6 shield ac for EMA was retarded. +5 dodge is alright. still kills a couple builds but still decent

I think its a good compromise.

You are correct Truefalse in that it barely touched the AC PM's can achieve. They will however think twice about running around without a shield on, so things did change for them as well, at least in their tactics. sorc/mk divine shielded casters can still achieve in excess of 80 AC without improved expertise, doesn't seem like its really all that devestating to them.

[rocketkai]

The only sorc/mnk divine shield casters that can achieve 80+ ac with the new EMA is dex-based one rather than cha-based. I'd rather not build one if that's the only choice. Even without improved expertise and shield with current EMA, those dex-based pure pm (e.g., 7wiz/3rog/30pm) can still running around with about 83-84ac and his insane summon chasing down his foes.

[Rufio]

At least this changes gives a reason to play a non-pm tensors build that isn't a monk.

[cRaZy8or5e]

The only sorc/mnk divine shield casters that can achieve 80+ ac with the new EMA is dex-based one rather than cha-based. I'd rather not build one if that's the only choice. Even without improved expertise and shield with current EMA, those dex-based pure pm (e.g., 7wiz/3rog/30pm) can still running around with about 83-84ac and his insane summon chasing down his foes.

Yes you are correct.

[Tsavong]

And that's the way it should be mages should not have ac unless they put into dex or stillspell or something to get it.

[Cahaal]

And that's the way it should be mages should not have ac unless they put into dex or stillspell or something to get it.

And your saying that a non-mage using EPIC SPELL: EPIC MAGE ARMOR should get more benefits from this? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Maybe we should limit it to mages only, i.e. pure mages.

Clerics are not mages but due to being PM get access to it. Take it away from cleric/PMs and only allow mages to get it.

Your statement just sounds silly to me when put in with all the builds that get access to EMA.

[Amoenotep]

technically PM is a mage type build..which is why it has access to mage type feats.

[Tsavong]

Cahaal how do you take this..

And that's the way it should be mages should not have ac unless they put into dex or stillspell or something to get it.

.. and make this from it?

And your saying that a non-mage using EPIC SPELL: EPIC MAGE ARMOR should get more benefits from this?

No I am not saying they should get more benefits form it. They get the same benefit from it you know that.

As for PM clerics mine (Melkor) dose not have EMA he is more cleric than anything else. The cleric is what heals him and buffs him if you want him nerfed the cleric abilities are what makes him so you must nerf cleic heal spells and melee buffs. Do you relay think all clerics should be nerfed as they can heal and be hard to kill? He is not even that hard to kill when you do it right. When raiding RK yesterday he was taken down in 1 round once I do not see your point.

You can make monks that are hard to kill why cant we make hard to kill PMs?

[Daltian]

You can make monks that are hard to kill why cant we make hard to kill PMs?

I want hard to kill Harper Scouts.

Sorry for interrupting discussion but had to say this. Now continue with serious discussion.

No offense to any harper scouts out there.

[Rufio]

Wait until you see the harper I'm building...

or will build... someday when i have time again.

[Dragongrams]

referring to PM portion of this bunch of whine threads - see change log.

[Cahaal]

Cahaal how do you take this..

And that's the way it should be mages should not have ac unless they put into dex or stillspell or something to get it.

.. and make this from it?

And your saying that a non-mage using EPIC SPELL: EPIC MAGE ARMOR should get more benefits from this?

No I am not saying they should get more benefits form it. They get the same benefit from it you know that.

As for PM clerics mine (Melkor) dose not have EMA he is more cleric than anything else. The cleric is what heals him and buffs him if you want him nerfed the cleric abilities are what makes him so you must nerf cleic heal spells and melee buffs. Do you relay think all clerics should be nerfed as they can heal and be hard to kill? He is not even that hard to kill when you do it right. When raiding RK yesterday he was taken down in 1 round once I do not see your point.

You can make monks that are hard to kill why cant we make hard to kill PMs?

Zerg, I'm not attacking you. I'm pointing out that non mages, like 3 bard,sorc,wiz/7 cleric/30pm, get this feat and are not mages. Since they can also use heavy armor and shields, they don't have to have high dex or still spell to get the AC benefit but still receive this feat just for being a PM and thus get more benefit from it than a mages does, like tensors or pure mages. That is what I'm saying. I'm sorry for not being clear. I don't care about PM being hard to kill, I enjoy the challenge. I do think words mean things and was pointing out how your statement seems silly when you consider all the PM builds available and the types of builds this change affected.

I guess my post is outdated already. Sorry didn't look at the change log.

[Tsavong]

Its all good , I stand by my statement though.