frogofpeace wrote:Yeah, I don't know about your AC numbers above, Rogue, you see the builds not me. But my CoT, 74 Ab self buffed, went after Peck last night and he didn't even bother to run. Couldn't touch him. Meanwhile, I'm getting slammed. That doesn't seem right. Instruct me.
Mages have plenty of ways to get away - they got legs, don't they? they got time stop? they got plenty of ways to slow down their opponent. They got autostrip mords, no-save NEB, no-save IGMS, Bigsbys in multiple flavors. They sholdnt be able to stand toe-to-toe with a competent meleer and not get hit - they should die horribly if they're caught.
For the record, I'm in the same boat as Alka with a PM build, which I may not be finishing after 35 levels. I still think it's a good change.
For the record Peck's max AC self buffed is 73 if he were wearing Pitt Guarding/Glimmer Boots, which he doesn't. So 99% of the time he was at 72 or even 71 depending on what robes he was wearing. I didn't go as high on AC as I could, I tried to keep my charisma at a decent level and bump my hit points when I built him. He was built to combat the cheese wiz/sds SL was running at the time by being immune to bigby and being a spotter. He was just beyond bigby range and now he'll get stunned by it without a bard. Peck isn't a great build at all due to subrace choices I made (no keen sense). Also since he only has 25 caster levels it doesn't take much to completely dispel him, which some people take advantage of and others don't. I'm sure they will now. I also had a lot of problems breaking SR and therefore had to try to spam ice storms and other non-sr spells which take a lot longer to kill people. Even racial SR is a big problem as morded you'll still only hit them about 50% of the time, and don't even talk about pure druid/cleric SR.
There's a lot of well thought out arguments as to why this was a bad change. Then there's a few NC/TC people flaming them.
I find it funny that people insist melee toons can't beat these hybrids. We do a lot of fighting in our guild hall to test builds and test strategies and for some reason every pure fighter or melee toon can take down Peck or Primarch about 70-80% of the time one on one. Without using their KD token and self buffed. Maybe you guys build differently but this comes down to once again that "I can't kill it with MY build so it can't be killed with ANY build." Which is complete BS. Daltian I've seen your fighter and I'm not impressed. I killed it with my 29 Dwarven Defender when you were mid 30s. It's your first pure fighter and no one gets it right the first time but please don't use your toon as an example. It takes a lot of time and a lot of playing to understand the best tactics with a build and if you're new to the game you just won't get it. Throw burra on a pure fighter and he could probably take down 100s of builds you couldn't touch. He has years of experience on Kermit and learned how to adapt to situation.
Also thank you to Nyeleni for speaking up. She never had a problem killing Peck with her CoT Eve Silk. I've seen her take down plenty of RDD Dragons as well.
Frog I can't remember any specific point you stood in front of me trying to hit me but all I can say is we did have a bard last night so I had about 78 ac (which with 74 ab you should still hit me on a few hits) and your sheet is probably lying to you.
@Tep: I guarantee the PM summons AB is not 70. It's a lot higher than that. Look at the combat log. I've seen it in the 80s buffed and I've seen it in the mid to high 70s (I think 78) on a freshly summoned one. Also remember they have just about every feat such as called shot and KD and can easily KD just about anything without 100 discipline and will keep it down until it's dead. So If you want to talk about PMs, post nerf you have a single player with 90+ AC, 78 AB and 1300 hps. Yeah that seems fair.
It's not like you have ever had to tank with peck or primarch, you got a multitude of bards and dragons screening you guys everytime I run in there, my toons die before they even catch sight of you guys. 
