PK Harassment or the 3 PK rule.

Post by **DM-Baccob** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:19 pm

Korr wrote: Tep, your statement seems to suggest that I can bring a level 20 to defend a relic cradle. . . die 3 times. Then the other players are FORCED to let me kill them or be in violation of the 3 limit PK rule.

You know that is not true, so there is another way to read it see if you can find it and you may get a Star for being a good reader

Post by **Lokey** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:20 am

1) Devs, DMs, server, etc...
2) Rules-lawyering

You only get one. Pick.

cRaZy8or5e · Post by **cRaZy8or5e** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:55 am

Amoenotep wrote:i can kill you 500 times if i'm raiding your town and you try to defend it and fail. i can kill you 500 times if i stay in the same zone anywhere in the mod and you keep coming back to me. i can kill you 500 times if you have that many chars in that faction constantly relogging them to defend your city.

i can't hunt you down and run pk circuits around the mod doing relentless kills. i can't relog a raider because i'm suddenly done defending once you've gotten away. i can't keep you locked down in the bind point because the staff chose to make it a non equation for sissy players that like to run and hide at the shard just to regain their power back so they can't be killed.

and korr, i'm not sure where your seeing if you get killed 3 times defending then its against the pk rule....if i'm defending i get free reign to constantly find whatever build suits my need to kill you...you chose your attacker and your stuck with it.....................why am i even explaining rules that have been in effect for years?

That's because you are being extraordinarily patient with this thread. The proper answer to all those hypothetical situations is; all of you (us players) need to use common sense and err on the side of caution. Tell them that the staff will make judgement calls based on the given situation for anything that falls outside the black and white areas outlined by the rules. IE don't try to rules lawyer this to death or look for iron clad rulings cuz there are none. Play with proper aplomb and respect for other players and that's it. If you are doing something that looks like you're breaking the rules expect to be warned and if repeated offenses happen expect to be dealt with.

Better that us inmates don't have concrete rules to live by, those who tend towards playing fairly and properly will be doin the right things and those that want to exploit/cheat/rule-ride will step outta bounds eventually.

Makes it easy for the staff and puts us on our toes. Hopefully in a positive "we'll be good lil players" way.

Eldaquen · Post by **Eldaquen** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:53 am

DM Kim wrote: "As a defender you can not switch out to a character park 3 or 6 zones away from the City walls."

In Melencia, where are the city walls defined. Not trying to be silly here, just know if a defender is logged off in Melencia (map called Melencia) and logs in after cradle is tapped then that defender is ported 2 maps away into Melencia Forest. I believe if same defender is logged off and into Natures Inn the same will occur. I believe the boundries for defender to not be ported are set at first maps of Wild Wood, Enchanted Forest, Melencia Forest or TSS Guild Hall.

The Natures Inn has changed over the years, sometimes allowed and other times not. I have not test in some time, since I usually use TSS Guild Hall.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:37 am

holy schnikeezs a player figured it out...+1 to crazy

elda: don't worry how many zones you are from your faction when logging to defend. as long as your defending your city from start to finish..its defense.

when you take off to other places..its offense.

ashsagoon · Post by **ashsagoon** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:57 am

I think Kim's intention wasn't relating to relic raiding/defending as I haven't really seen any issues with that in a while.

It's the people who are venge logging when their lowbies get killed. See that happening a lot lately.

Korr · Post by **Korr** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:28 am

Well my point was that Kim said you CANNOT log off a defender and try to get a relic once its outside your city. Tep said you CAN as long as you are really defending, and dont touch the relic. Using common sense is good, but there is very little consistency from DM to DM (and sometimes day to day from 1 DM). If DM A is on I can/cant do this/that, if DM B is on I can/cant do this/that. . . if DM A and DM B are on who knows anymore. If a DM has had a bad day there are sometimes no warnings given and its just BAM. . . Ban! That is where I see the rules lawyering come in. . . its hard to keep track of what I can or cant do even with common sense and rule of thumb in play, because if tep is on I can relog a toon in ave to cut off the raider. If Kim is on I cannot do that. . .

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:00 pm

Umm can we stop this already? We are like in our 6th year of debating something that seems really simple to understand.

I have been playing DD's servers for some hugely depressing amount of time and I have never once been banned, temp banned, or punished/reprimanded in any way shape or form and the only rule I have ever followed was common sense and respect for my fellow players even if I intend to or am in the process of killing or getting killed by them.

Really, it’s that simple.

Nyeleni · Post by **Nyeleni** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:31 pm

Korr wrote:Well my point was that Kim said you CANNOT log off a defender and try to get a relic once its outside your city. Tep said you CAN as long as you are really defending, and dont touch the relic. Using common sense is good, but there is very little consistency from DM to DM (and sometimes day to day from 1 DM). If DM A is on I can/cant do this/that, if DM B is on I can/cant do this/that. . . if DM A and DM B are on who knows anymore. If a DM has had a bad day there are sometimes no warnings given and its just BAM. . . Ban! That is where I see the rules lawyering come in. . . its hard to keep track of what I can or cant do even with common sense and rule of thumb in play, because if tep is on I can relog a toon in ave to cut off the raider. If Kim is on I cannot do that. . .

That is because common sense isn't the same for everybody. But like Crazyhorse said: err on the side of caution. If you throw in a bit of respect (to oneself and the others) we all will get along.
Don't try to push the boundaries all the time either. Eventually it will push back

.

PS. ouch just noticed that I agree with mgrjebbo, now that is a shocker

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Post by **DM_Kim** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:14 pm

Apologies for not wording thoughts correctly. The exact intent of the way what I said, was not what I meant.

I also apologies for any confusion this might have cause, but it is a good thing, because we ALL get clarification. I was tying to cover a situation that Bargeld had describe in an earlier post on this thread, before the fact and did a poor job of it.

This is what the forums are about.

Well guess I learned too...

""Keeps a sharp eye on Korr""

weasel423 · Post by **weasel423** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:13 pm

DM_Kim wrote:""Keeps a sharp eye on Korr""

Everyone tries to keep a sharp eye on Korr... isn't that in the commandments somewhere?

MLoki · Post by **MLoki** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:24 pm

weasel423 wrote:
DM_Kim wrote:""Keeps a sharp eye on Korr""
Everyone tries to keep a sharp eye on Korr... isn't that in the commandments somewhere?

Sharp Eye??!?!?! ::Puts the Sharp Dagger away:: I must have misread that one.

burrahobbit · Post by **burrahobbit** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:23 pm

mgrjebbo wrote:Umm can we stop this already? We are like in our 6th year of debating something that seems really simple to understand.

I have been playing DD's servers for some hugely depressing amount of time and I have never once been banned, temp banned, or punished/reprimanded in any way shape or form and the only rule I have ever followed was common sense and respect for my fellow players even if I intend to or am in the process of killing or getting killed by them.

Really, it’s that simple.

I got a screeny of jebbo venge logging 3 years ago, who wants to see it?

Chernobyl_Glow · Post by **Chernobyl_Glow** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:24 pm

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns/viewto ... &t=1001908

hehe.

- glow -

Post by **DM_Kim** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:44 pm

Keep in mind that a lot of topics will always be brought up we have about a 55% new player base and they are just learning..

(To the old timers.. get busy and PK away!!!!)

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