dragon fear aura

[Nyeleni]

Well lets agree that Melencia has the worst trade off then .

[weasel423]

Well lets agree that Melencia has the worst trade off then .

I do agree with that!

As far as the fear aura... Is there a way to either disable the fear aura, or at least give it -20 or something if the dragon is kd'd by.. say... a hellball? I know a knocked down dragon would not be as scary.

[LinuxPup]

As far as the fear aura... Is there a way to either disable the fear aura, or at least give it -20 or something if the dragon is kd'd by.. say... a hellball? I know a knocked down dragon would not be as scary.

Not that I know of, but remember that after entering a fear aura, you become immune to it for 2 minutes (against the creature whose aura you entered only... another creature's fear aura will still affect you). Also clerics have Remove Fear which I think is a level 1 or 2 spell... there's also buffs that give a bonus vs. fear, and abilities/classes which give immunity to fear.

[weasel423]

As far as the fear aura... Is there a way to either disable the fear aura, or at least give it -20 or something if the dragon is kd'd by.. say... a hellball? I know a knocked down dragon would not be as scary.

Not that I know of, but remember that after entering a fear aura, you become immune to it for 2 minutes (against the creature whose aura you entered only... another creature's fear aura will still affect you). Also clerics have Remove Fear which I think is a level 1 or 2 spell... there's also buffs that give a bonus vs. fear, and abilities/classes which give immunity to fear.

I think remove fear gives you +4 vs fear.

Pretty sure you are correct as far as the immunity after you have been feared and have recovered... but how often do they leave you alone until the fear wears off in PVP? Dragon fear seems to last quite a long time... (not like the Barbarian fear which only lasts 1d3 rounds).

As far as the KD thing, maybe it is something that can be looked at? SD's become visible when kd'd by a hellball. Why not make the fear aura either drop temporarily or at least make the DC go down. Scary dragon not so much when it is lying on the ground prone...

[LinuxPup]

The duration of a shifter/RDD dragon's fear aura on a player who fails his will save is DC/2 seconds... (so 25 second max for RDDs)

I don't think there's a way to tell if a dragon is KD via script... or at least I don't know how... so I know of no way of writing a feature where the fear aura's DC goes down if the dragon is KD.

Remove fear not only gives you a bonus vs. fear, but it also removes fear... so if you have a cleric around, they can remove your fear immediately so you don't sit around and get killed.

[Amoenotep]

my wizzy got feared by a RDD fear aura....almost died

it also made the save vs the same dragon later on in some fights

my wizzy only has saves in the 30's i think...so...yeah, the op's build has no save

[Nyeleni]

Maybe one new thing: bard and cleric buffs boost the dragon too much. While I don't think that the dragon per se is too über, it certainly becomes after buffed. Probably because it doesn't hit a cap as a CoT would AB and AC wise.

And I too think the dragon fear lasts too long.

[ashsagoon]

Dragons have the same +20 cap as anyone else. I'm not sure why people seem to think they don't. This thread is titled "dragon fear aura" not "general dragon stuff," stay on topic

Also, while we're talking about dragon fear, maybe you can fix a bug with it that's helping these people out. If someone walks into my aura and fails the fear save and starts running and I hit them with a knockdown, they don't get knocked down, they fall down for a second but keep running. Even if I stunning fist them they will keep running away. This makes it really hard to kill someone you're chasing. Just because they're feared they should not be immune to knockdown or stunning fist.

Also I'd like to mention that in the great fights we had with CLAD and TSS and such today, not a single one of their toons failed my fear save. Even Carlie Moon who is a hipser.

[Korr]

Yeah I dont think anyone is saying that the dragons dont have the +20 cap everyone has. Their point is that dragons have a str modifier that is basically unmatched (by far) by any other build. . . except maybe a half-ogre 10 RDD with a +4 book and 6 Great Str feats (what would that be 24 (max base) + 6 (feats) + 10 (levels) + 4 (book)+ 8 (RDD)). Maybe linux can whip up a check for whether the dragon is visible or not (because thats the essence of the fear aura. . . seeing the dragon) so an invisible dragon/dragon behind a door/blind enemy would be immune to the fear. The trick would be that when they are within the aura and then suddenly CAN see the dragon the aura would check against them.


I would disagree that TC has the worst options for choke points, theirs are just further away and require more people. It is incedibly easy to get someone to corner themselves in the forests around melencia.

[cRaZy8or5e]

The bridges are easy to bust out of.. it has been done time and time again. It is a last resort defensive point by SL to prevent relics from running away. Almost every time if it has gotten to that point then SL is lucky to stop one or two relics from escaping, but most make it by. It is far from a transition choke point where you automatically transition into a corner and cannot escape.

As a person who raids both of your factions, neither choke point is easy navigate. In my experience, a heavily defended AO relic cradle is a mess to get through that door, and the SL bridges are a disaster to try and get across, especially considering the NPC's which cause the most amount of problems in both situations.

But how 'bout that dragon fear aura? Oh yeah, I said, nasty, but not OP.

Has everyone voiced their opinion on the fear aura and possible solutions? If not I think you should.

then 'tep can tell us we all suck, and to build better.

The duration of a shifter/RDD dragon's fear aura on a player who fails his will save is DC/2 seconds... (so 25 second max for RDDs)

I don't think there's a way to tell if a dragon is KD via script... or at least I don't know how... so I know of no way of writing a feature where the fear aura's DC goes down if the dragon is KD.

Remove fear not only gives you a bonus vs. fear, but it also removes fear... so if you have a cleric around, they can remove your fear immediately so you don't sit around and get killed.

So what's that? 4 rounds? Those rounds can seem like an eternity . Unless they catch you that is.

[MrAsimov]

After reading 6 pages, including quite a few posts having nothing to do with the topic, the only problem I have is that it seems the dc on rdd dragon fear appears to on occasion go above the 50 that the formula in the change log says it should. This is in the very first post and seems to have been largely ignored. I also think i saw a dc over 50 hit me once a few weeks ago, but since I don't take screen shots I can't check whether I remember correctly.

[ashsagoon]

After reading 6 pages, including quite a few posts having nothing to do with the topic, the only problem I have is that it seems the dc on rdd dragon fear appears to on occasion go above the 50 that the formula in the change log says it should. This is in the very first post and seems to have been largely ignored. I also think i saw a dc over 50 hit me once a few weeks ago, but since I don't take screen shots I can't check whether I remember correctly.

The DC never goes above 50. Bishop confused it with another save or simply misread it (it's really hard to read the fast scrolling combat log, everyone knows that).

[cRaZy8or5e]

Dragon fear aura is OP.

47 dc on an effect that is almost an auto-win?

I figure dragon shape already has huge advantages of making a weak druid into an uber tank/damage output, why even have fear aura?

EDIT: just failed a dc 54 on this thing... yall gotta check this out

He said it was a Druid dragon. He may have been confusing it at the time with RDD dragons, but he also may have been talking about the DM dragons that were being tested at the time. I don't know if there were any shifter dragons being tested at the time. He never did specify what the name of the toon was, and we've done 6 pages of speculating about the fear aura, bugs to the fear aura, how to get a Shifter fear DC that high, etc.

[Tal]

It was the RDD dragon I am pretty sure. Redmane was it? Or something like that I believe.

I was to busy getting jacked after the fear aura to get a good look at the name.

[cRaZy8or5e]

K then yeah he's an RDD and capped at 50 . . . or should be.