dragon fear aura

[Shhhhhhh]

Lets first make dragon shape possible with monk lvls then?
and surely if you want to remove the fear part but instead just give some ab/ac decrease, the DC should increase but not decrease?

[Tru3Fals3]

I have seen high dc's on other abilities and attacks, but there is a difference. I think the issue here is that it is a constant aura without any duration limit, specified target, or use limits. It is a constant "I win" button.

Now the following is an observation, not a whine or complaint... When you place a dragon with a constant aura like that at a doorway to a relic room, whether it be AO, RK, SL, or whatever then the majority of people coming in will get hit. Now they are in a room with hostile pc's and npc's. The battle is over before it begins. Not here and there, but every time. Now take a sneak build for instance. Ok, it gets feared. That is to be expected because the build is expected to have lower will saves. But then you take a bard/BG with really good saves and it can't save even once against the aura? It just does not seem balanced at all. That's what it is all about... balance. It is difficult to see it when you are on the user side rather than the opponent side, but there was a time we were sending toon after toon after toon just to test the dc capabilities of the aura as we failed every time and got pk'd immediately.

On another note. The aura has caused many toons to get killed by mobs and caused xp loss. I had one toon run in fear twice just to run into a wall and stand there while the mobs chopped him into pieces. Others have reported taking xp hits as well because they were mowed down by mobs.

I think the two key things that really deserve a good look over by the staff are the dc and duration.

i disagree, its not a unique ability, not the only constant ability of its kind, its not easy to get and the dc isnt even that brilliant, other dcs can be higher or equal (stun fist, barb fear, shifter dragon, assassin paralyze etc).

so what if your a blackguard? you can still roll low when i roll high, part of the game, you did not fail everytime you came in with it, you failed it once iirc, that's called bad luck, in fact, a lot of the toon's that weren't mid 20s will save sds passed it most of the time. your blackguard will save that 95% of the time, how is this a worthy example? not to mention the fact that you were cursed everytime you came in.....

the only builds that will get slammed by this 90%of the time are your no will save sds, i fail to see how this is unbalanced, you want to fight a dragon with an sd, dont complain when it gets eaten.

i am done arguing about this though, if the staff thinks its unbalanced and want to change it, im available to help with testing anytime, i wont have any problems with their decision.

[cRaZy8or5e]

My toon was a blackguard. My will save was 44 at the time. IMO this is a pretty decent save.

Your logic for druid fear aura being strong is weak. The thing about NS4 is that just about everyone is smart enough to maximize whatever element of the game they can to create an advantage. When you put something into the game you have to think to yourself: Hmm what would the max be on this ability? because someone/everyone is going to get there. A fear aura is one of those things that SHOULD NOT lead to any win-or-loose status effects. It is auto-use, it hits all targets at a pretty huge range, and it has unlimited uses.

Just about all the druid builds are just going to maximize thier wisdom anyways- it is their primary ability. "I should get something for it if I invest that much wis..." You do. You get higher DC's on spells, you get more spells, you get AC from that monk you splashed, you get to use ranged weapons at a solid AB, and you get higher will saves

1 click and you put yourself into the top 5 hardest builds to take down and gain all the other advantages of dragon form. The fear aura is over the top.

I would like to suggest a skill/stat/ab/ac decrease effect instead of the fear effect as well as a DC decrease on this effect.

44 will save means that you only had a 15% chance for failure against a 47 DC aura. I'd say the odds were heavily stacked in your favor and that a 47 DC is obviously not an "I win" button.

You can't stack monk with druid dragons.

Sorry your logic is faulty. Druid dragons are pretty easy to take down, with the right build or combination of builds. Sounds like you were just unlucky.

[Tal]

See that's the thing we are trying to point out... it needs to be looked at.

I would like to see some testing done and the results posted.

[Tsavong]

The only dragons with fear are X/X/RDDs and Druid/Shifters thats it.

Not pure Druids and not Druid/Shifter/Munks

The only thing odd here is the DC 54 in the 1st post, If it were a RDD dragon fear arua and not something else like a Barb.

Btw my Sorc BG failed a fear save vs a dragon (i dont know who) when he rolled low, my bard dose it a lot i don't complane about it i get over it.

The only thing i don't like abut the RDD dragon fear as opposed to the Shifter one is the RDDs don't need to dump 30 points into a ability to get a good DC its just there for free with the dragon.

Zerg
bord at work hiding from the boss.

[Rufio]

you get AC from that monk you splashed

Not while shifted.

Almost didn't reply but I have found a surprising number of people don't know this one...

[Amoenotep]

monk ac is negated in shifted form>RDD dragons
monk can't be taken for dragon form> Shifters/Druids

your info on these are false.

clarity, mind blanks, prot vs alignments=your friends

[Tal]

clarity, mind blanks, prot vs alignments=your friends

Until you run into one of these dragons. We were all fully buffed and it was worthless. Anything that disables the majority of a group on a constant basis seems a little over powered. No matter how you look at it in the end it is an "I win" button. Say it starts off as 6v6. When the groups meet now it is 6v2, 6v1, or 6v0 because of that aura every single time. Game over. Add that and the "death corridor" in the AO temple and there is no way out of it.

All we have tried to do is point out the obvious, and try to get some much needed attention drawn to the situation.

[Shhhhhhh]

So you couldnt make the max 50 DC save even fully buffed?
With a variaty of builds?

[Tru3Fals3]

they did, several builds were never feared, when the majority if your "pack" is a group of ridiculously low will save sds (iron will, loh, epic will are your friends) don't be shocked when they start running scared, i don't recall any of your sds passing the barbs fear aura, the roar, the implodes or the wails either.

what i find strange is that of the many groups of players we have fought with the dragons, you were the most people we had ever feared, and players we had previously feared did not complain or start posting about dragon fear being overpowered (mostly it was about ac/ab/dmg/fire breath), doesn't seem like the problem is with the dragons in this case.

Stop whining and complaining, and learn to build better.

im sure the staff will make changes if they feel its overpowered. my last post here.

[Bishop99]

My log said the dc was 54 the second time it caught me.

[Bargeld]

Just a few notes from reading thus far:

RDD fear is different from other high DC class abilities in that you must target (usually a single target) whereas the fear aura requires no effort or maintenance. IIRC barb fear aura does not effect other lvl 40 toons, only those lower than it's current level.

I haven't seen it yet, and hope that I'm not giving the wrong ideas to the wrong folx, but what is to stop an RDD from re-resting until they have a high DC? Meaning that through meta-gaming, you can consistantly maintain a 45+ DC on it for every battle unless you are under pressure.

I would also point out that the door in the AO cradle can be blocked by a single RDD dragon forcing the entering toons to get feared and corralled and in a couple cases, stuck behind the door. This is like a continuous hail of paralyze arrows from a high DC assassin ... just from standing there afk (particularly useful if you multi-log toons).

[weasel423]

Yeah, give the SL a choke point like that and see how much longer we can hold the relics... even without a big dragon there to block the way.

[Jacks Revenge]

Just in case you dont remember, The AO Relic room used to have much more cut off points, it was changed a little bit after the wipe (for those of you who dont remember it) so one choke point isnt that bad, besides you dont have TC's relic room so you should be happy. You wanna see bad choke points look at NC's relic room (im not complaining) going in three different doors just to get to the cradle is instant death by NC pali's. Speaking of the Barb DC used to be much better till a certian dev. nerfed it. I dont think the dragon fear aura is by any means a bad thing, its totally random, its the luck of the roll. You fail you die simple as that.

[Bargeld]

I dont think the dragon fear aura is by any means a bad thing, its totally random, its the luck of the roll.

I have refuted that statement already, it is not necessarily true if you have time to prepare (cough possible exploit cough).