a while back an aimless party discussion brought up the following question: if you had all six +4 stat books to blow on a single build, what would that build be?
rules are:
1. the build has to make good use of all stat books. no blowing a +4 wis book just to get +2 will save on your SD. basic test is.. if that was your only +4 book would you use it for that purpose? juicing your prime stat is ok.
2. delevelling after reading the books is kosher
3. the build must be a work of art. (rule that keeps out the cheese
extra credit if the build is completely impossible without all 6 books. just post an outline of what such a beast would look like (one of the (A)s had a great concept, he can post it here if he chooses to reveal it
The Greatest Build
Re: The Greatest Build
I'd thought about a planar turning hogre...then I came to my senses.
Some of my druid builds wouldn't work as well without at least 4 extra stat points (took a lot of great wis and dex feats for Reg...he'd be way better with books). But not impossible without, and they're not too far outside the obvious.
I guess I'm too averse to maxxing stats. 16->17 base is 3 stat points, it's rare for me to put any stat above 16 to start (regret doing so on my cler/CoT--too many weaknesses), so I don't usually have a problem with the not insane stat req feats.
Some of my druid builds wouldn't work as well without at least 4 extra stat points (took a lot of great wis and dex feats for Reg...he'd be way better with books). But not impossible without, and they're not too far outside the obvious.
I guess I'm too averse to maxxing stats. 16->17 base is 3 stat points, it's rare for me to put any stat above 16 to start (regret doing so on my cler/CoT--too many weaknesses), so I don't usually have a problem with the not insane stat req feats.
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Re: The Greatest Build
Race : Dwarf (Gold Dwarf is possible but doesnt change much really)
Class(es) : Sorcerer (25) / Paladin (5) / Dwarven Defender (10)
Starting Stats :
Str - 10
Dex - 14
Con - 18
Int - 8
Wis - 10
Cha - 14
To 20, books, delevel.
Booked Stats (level 1) :
Str - 14
Dex - 18
Con - 22
Int - 8
Wis - 14
Cha - 18
10 stats from levels :
2 Charisma
8 Dex
Pre-Epic Feats :
Toughness
Dodge
Weapon Finesse
Power Attack
Divine Might
Divine Shield
Blind-Fight
Epic Feats : (one of the spell-based is the 1 bonus sorcerer feat)
Quicken Spell
Automatic Quicken I
Automatic Quicken II
Automatic Quicken III
Epic Spell : Mage Armor
Epic Damage Reduction I
Epic Damage Reduction II
Epic Damage Reduction III
+4 Str - Required for Divine Might/Shield
+4 Dex - Finesse AB/Overall AC
+4 Con - Required for Epic DR
+4 Int - Skills
+4 Wis - Level 4 Pally spells (access to them with crafted ammy)
+4 Cha - Sorc spells
80[84] (AC) = 10 (base) + 14 (dex) + 4 (tumble) + 5 (natural) + 5 (deflection) + 15 (shield) + 4 (tumble) + 6 (dodge, includes haste) + 6 (armor) + 11 (divine shield) [ + 4 (Defensive Stance) ]
56 (AB) = 25 (base) + 5 (tenser) + 14 (dex) + 1 (haste) + 8 (max weapon) + 3 (divine favor)
Also can consider 25 (base) + 14 (dex) + 20 (truestrike) = 59 (max AB)
Perks :
While focused on casting or fighting, immune to sneaks due to defensive awareness
15/- DR
Paladin Spells like Divine Favor, FoM, Holy Sword
Sorc spells, dispelling, countering, etc
Drawbacks :
Dispell bait
Slow Tenser Bait
Guessing on BAB of 25 at 40 (havent worked out level progression)
Oh yeah, 6 +4 books!!!
EDIT :
Skills :
Spellcraft
Tumble
Discipline
Concentration
EDIT : Few typos
Class(es) : Sorcerer (25) / Paladin (5) / Dwarven Defender (10)
Starting Stats :
Str - 10
Dex - 14
Con - 18
Int - 8
Wis - 10
Cha - 14
To 20, books, delevel.
Booked Stats (level 1) :
Str - 14
Dex - 18
Con - 22
Int - 8
Wis - 14
Cha - 18
10 stats from levels :
2 Charisma
8 Dex
Pre-Epic Feats :
Toughness
Dodge
Weapon Finesse
Power Attack
Divine Might
Divine Shield
Blind-Fight
Epic Feats : (one of the spell-based is the 1 bonus sorcerer feat)
Quicken Spell
Automatic Quicken I
Automatic Quicken II
Automatic Quicken III
Epic Spell : Mage Armor
Epic Damage Reduction I
Epic Damage Reduction II
Epic Damage Reduction III
+4 Str - Required for Divine Might/Shield
+4 Dex - Finesse AB/Overall AC
+4 Con - Required for Epic DR
+4 Int - Skills
+4 Wis - Level 4 Pally spells (access to them with crafted ammy)
+4 Cha - Sorc spells
80[84] (AC) = 10 (base) + 14 (dex) + 4 (tumble) + 5 (natural) + 5 (deflection) + 15 (shield) + 4 (tumble) + 6 (dodge, includes haste) + 6 (armor) + 11 (divine shield) [ + 4 (Defensive Stance) ]
56 (AB) = 25 (base) + 5 (tenser) + 14 (dex) + 1 (haste) + 8 (max weapon) + 3 (divine favor)
Also can consider 25 (base) + 14 (dex) + 20 (truestrike) = 59 (max AB)
Perks :
While focused on casting or fighting, immune to sneaks due to defensive awareness
15/- DR
Paladin Spells like Divine Favor, FoM, Holy Sword
Sorc spells, dispelling, countering, etc
Drawbacks :
Dispell bait
Slow Tenser Bait
Guessing on BAB of 25 at 40 (havent worked out level progression)
Oh yeah, 6 +4 books!!!
EDIT :
Skills :
Spellcraft
Tumble
Discipline
Concentration
EDIT : Few typos
Last edited by Korr on Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:07 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The Greatest Build
A DD isn't imm. to crits. but sneaks . Interesting build all in all, but I wouldn't want to lvl up that.
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Re: The Greatest Build
If I had a full set of +4 books, hands-down i would make a paly/rog/wm .. the one i had pre-wipe used a full set of +2 books and was pretty decent, the main drawbacks were reliance on some arcane temporary buffs, and limited time with blinding speed... but still kicked some serious butt! With +4 books it would have been my best toon ever.
13paly/5rog/22wm - with proper gear and build progression you can get 1 or 2 holy swords, divine might, blinding speed, ~68 solid ab, ~70ac, etc... not sure of race but you can only make this in RK, so limited to dorf or gnome - you could squeeze it into svirf using the +4 CHA to negate the -4 CHA racial, thus giving you keen sense at the loss of a bit of ab/ac over a lorekeeper or gold dorf.
+4 STR - to just get a base of 14 STR (13 if you're squeezing it hard) for Divine might
+4 DEX - to max ab/ac
+4 WS - to just hit 14 wisdom to enable all paly spells (holy sword can't be dispelled)
+4 CON - to max HPs/fort as high as you can
+4 INT - oh so many skill points are needed (and some burned to get WM lvls)
+4 CHA - to get a minimum of 14 base CHA, tho i'd try for 16 or 18 if possible.
my build is posted in a few boards, i'd also go dex-based since having haste is crucial on this server for pvp.
an 'evil' version alt, i would do bard/barb/bg, also dex based, but the +4 wisdom is not required or useful in that case, except to get will saves up since that does really help vs. mobs with BS will save attacks that strip racial abilities and even bardsong!
13paly/5rog/22wm - with proper gear and build progression you can get 1 or 2 holy swords, divine might, blinding speed, ~68 solid ab, ~70ac, etc... not sure of race but you can only make this in RK, so limited to dorf or gnome - you could squeeze it into svirf using the +4 CHA to negate the -4 CHA racial, thus giving you keen sense at the loss of a bit of ab/ac over a lorekeeper or gold dorf.
+4 STR - to just get a base of 14 STR (13 if you're squeezing it hard) for Divine might
+4 DEX - to max ab/ac
+4 WS - to just hit 14 wisdom to enable all paly spells (holy sword can't be dispelled)
+4 CON - to max HPs/fort as high as you can
+4 INT - oh so many skill points are needed (and some burned to get WM lvls)
+4 CHA - to get a minimum of 14 base CHA, tho i'd try for 16 or 18 if possible.
my build is posted in a few boards, i'd also go dex-based since having haste is crucial on this server for pvp.
an 'evil' version alt, i would do bard/barb/bg, also dex based, but the +4 wisdom is not required or useful in that case, except to get will saves up since that does really help vs. mobs with BS will save attacks that strip racial abilities and even bardsong!
Re: The Greatest Build
I was working on a Cleric/Barb that has high stat requirements for Str/Con/Wis/Cha. Dex became a dump stat but would still be nice to get it to a 12 for heavy armor. Int would be nice to actually have some skills to go with it to.
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Re: The Greatest Build
BAH! 9monk/9bg/22clc str based scyther in cloth with autoquick3
STR: 14 (19 ending)
DEX: 14
CON: 10
WIS: 14 (19 ending)
INT: 14
CHA: 16
+4 to all for books wow - that could make for a lot of stat swapping to add to str
STR: 14 (19 ending)
DEX: 14
CON: 10
WIS: 14 (19 ending)
INT: 14
CHA: 16
+4 to all for books wow - that could make for a lot of stat swapping to add to str
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Re: The Greatest Build
20pal/13rog/7wm..
full bab and epic dodge
full bab and epic dodge