Problems with Rdd feats

[Azeel3]

Building a 30 lvl rdd build after epic feat levels with my stats i only quilify for a small number of feats with my choices i took epic toughness, three times, but it is only showing up once and i am not seeing the the hit points on my characters build, so in effect i have lost two feats, and wil proabaly lose two more if no one in DM or dev can't figure out the problem ty for your time i'd liek to clear up the problem so i can continue this build ty.

- Cannibal King

[Korr]

I had that problem on a test RDD, I was able to take Improved Stunning Fist, but only once. After that I couldnt anymore.

[Lokey]

Many feats replace, I think epic toughness does? (When you have toughness 1 then take 2, toughness 1 no longer appears in your feat list. Same for spell focus, some others.)

[Korr]

I just went through and retest a few other things with the stunning fist. When I take a character and take Improved Stunning 1 (at level 21) and then reach level 24 I cannot take Improved Stunning Fist II. Why I wouldnt meet the pre-req for II but do for I is strange. I will test taking ISF I at level 24 and something else at level 21 ans see if that helps. So far im thinking its a problem with NWN

[Korr]

No go on the feats in later levels.

[Ajantis.]

Well, see the NWN wiki on RDD, you'll see Stunning fist is not on that list:

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Red_dragon_disciple


Compare that to a CoT:

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Champion_of_Torm

[Nyeleni]

Yes, but every three lvls you get general access to epic feats... If you have access to impr. stunning fist I, you should be able to take II too.

[Korr]

That is the problem, so far the only classes I have found that can take improved stunning fist as a general feat are: fighter, monk, cot. That is to say that ANY class can take it once, but II-X are not available after you take ISF I, not even as a general feat.

[Ajantis.]

That's probably because stunning fist II-X (improved too) is not a general feat

[disastro]

correct. for many feats you cant take that feat even if you meet the prerequisites, if the class you are currently levelling up in does not have that feat on their class feat list.

other notable examples are inability to take divine might/shield feats unless that feat level is a paladin, cleric or blackguard level (even if you meet the prereqs by already having power attack and ability to turn undead... you must be taking one of those three classes on that levelup screen to see the feat).

this has caused more than a few delevel/toon scrapping events in my career

[Azeel3]

Thank you all for the insights, but no other feats are appearing save two a very narrow choice selection for a high end build like RRD, nothing else comes up save toughness and another feat, and thank you; but toughtness II is not showing up in my feat list it shows up as toughness I, I have taken three (3) of these feats so far, NO hit points , no options, and in essence no FEAT, thus as the Bard would say "layith thee rub."
-Cannibal King PWnD
(Looking for a few good bones to chew on.)