Shifters...shapes/powers

[Lokey]

Demonflesh golem doesnt get the 1,5X from strenght.
Without any gear or buffs you have 1-8 damage +19 and on the combat dummy all damage is between 20 and 27.
Since it seems most the fancy weapons dont really help the golems, maybe simple druid weapons would work?
It gives the option to specialize a bit for extra ab, but if all golems have a different weapon you have to pick a shape, which means you lose a bit in flexibility. (Or use up a whole lot of feats)
Mid 50 Ab's isnt that bad ofcourse, but with 3 attacks per round high 50's AB wont be all that terrible too.

I guess we'll go to simple weaps, same as Outsider (scim on iron golem, spear on stone, mage staff on demon). Probably be able to get to that tonight.

[Fezz]

You wont get extra ab for focus scimitar spear etc once you shift. The only feats that work once shifted are the imp crit ones. Also as far as 3 attacks go, consider taking blinding speed as well for the extra 2 ac and 1 ab/att it gives. Its quite doable to have 25dex and your 27 wis for construct shape.

Once i learned the finikie stuff 1st time round with shifters - I went through like 4 or 5 of them pre-wipe, all my shifters have blinding speed now. You just cant beat it. And no more 3 or 4 screens behind the rest of the party when traveling !!

All and all shifters are looking pretty good though, thanks to loki and all his work, im very impressed with the drow and kobold shapes (almost got the epic versions) Very impressed with the harpy song effect, certainly comes in handy when your party is being over run and you can heal them bit by bit every round.

Thanks again.

[Lokey]

Getting weapon focus, etc to work was one of the reasons to change things

[Fezz]

wow so your saying they do work now ? wpn focus etc. thats so cool but alas i didnt do it on this one, but hey another great reason to make yet another shifter !!!

[Lokey]

Well, caveat: the unarmed feats working with creature weapons is rumor. I haven't checked if focus unarmed does anything with creature weapons, I don't think it does.

[MtainEer]

Had some shifter questions, was hoping devs could answer.

1) The way I currently understand shifters is that the ONLY shifter with HIPS is drow? Yes
2) In looking thru the posts it appears that epic drow (17 shifter) has dex set to 39? Yes
3) Does the drow still use longswords? No, use ss's
4) Does the drow still get improved evasion? Yes
5) Does the drow get weapon finesse, asking this one incase they dont use longswords since the kobolds used to get weapon finesse? Yes

Thanks,

MtainEer

[disastro]

Demonflesh golem doesnt get the 1,5X from strenght.
Without any gear or buffs you have 1-8 damage +19 and on the combat dummy all damage is between 20 and 27.
Since it seems most the fancy weapons dont really help the golems, maybe simple druid weapons would work?
It gives the option to specialize a bit for extra ab, but if all golems have a different weapon you have to pick a shape, which means you lose a bit in flexibility. (Or use up a whole lot of feats)
Mid 50 Ab's isnt that bad ofcourse, but with 3 attacks per round high 50's AB wont be all that terrible too.

I guess we'll go to simple weaps, same as Outsider (scim on iron golem, spear on stone, mage staff on demon). Probably be able to get to that tonight.

not sure how it works exactly, but would it be possible to just leave the player's exact weapon in hand when they shift? i.e. if you have a sickle of the evil harvest or whatever, when you shift into x form it wields a sickle of the evil harvest.

then you wouldnt have to merge weapons, and whatever feats you get would work as expected all the time.

also i've been playing with shapechange spell on my pure druid (as i have yet to get dragon shape feat). do any weapons merge into unarmed shapes? right now i get a lot more mileage out of shapechange-ing into a weapon form since my main weapon's damage stats get added.

[Shhhhhhh]

For the shifters there are no unarmed shapes anymore , besides the lvl1 shifter things.
all other shapes got a weapon added to them so that your weapon damage gets added to the shapes.

[disastro]

For the shifters there are no unarmed shapes anymore , besides the lvl1 shifter things.
all other shapes got a weapon added to them so that your weapon damage gets added to the shapes.

gotcha. i am checking out the pure druid higher level elemental shapes, they're still unarmed.

[Shhhhhhh]

Alright constructs.

Stats: S-48, D-30, C-24. 5 ac. +8/15 DR. -10 reflex saves to account for dex.
Immunes: crit, level drain, poison, disease, level 5 or lower spells.
Knockdown, cleave, disc + 20.

The Immunity to lvl 5 or lower spells doesnt work on the construct shapes.

[Lokey]

Thanks, added.

[cluckster]

Demonflesh golem doesnt get the 1,5X from strenght.
Without any gear or buffs you have 1-8 damage +19 and on the combat dummy all damage is between 20 and 27.
Since it seems most the fancy weapons dont really help the golems, maybe simple druid weapons would work?
It gives the option to specialize a bit for extra ab, but if all golems have a different weapon you have to pick a shape, which means you lose a bit in flexibility. (Or use up a whole lot of feats)
Mid 50 Ab's isnt that bad ofcourse, but with 3 attacks per round high 50's AB wont be all that terrible too.

I guess we'll go to simple weaps, same as Outsider (scim on iron golem, spear on stone, mage staff on demon). Probably be able to get to that tonight.

There is no Improved Crit feat for mage staff. Can mage staff be changed out on shifters?

[Lokey]

Club is same rules-wise. Just doesn't look as cool. Next reset.

[Shhhhhhh]

Hm I think this club might even look nicer than the staff did

Thanks for all the hard work btw, when you started the shifter changes I think quite a few people were a tad upset, but now that you're almost done I hope everyone will check back in again.
Shifters are probably even more fun to play now than before. Being more gear dependant means its much more fun to find new gear.
And with good gear they're still powerful.