Shifters...shapes/powers

[Lokey]

For now just levels. Subject to change, but a mass stun needs to be handled pretty carefully.

Outsider shape:

All get 20 disc, cleave.

- Azer S-39 D-32 C-24 Weapon-Scimitar.
Flame weapon as spell, Fire shield for 2 turns of d6 + half shifter level, Flame Thrower abil (shifter level d6 fire on a ranged touch, crit for double).
Immune to fire. 50% vuln to cold. KD, power attack. SR of 5 + hit die. 5AC.

- Rakshasa S-24 D-39 C-32 Weapon-Mage Staff.
Greater spell breach, Ice Storm (caster level = shifter level), true sight.
Immune to spells below level 9, 4 to listen, spot, search. 2AC.

- Slaad S-39 D-24 C-32 Weapon-Spear.
Chaos Spit (shifter level d4 magic damage on range touch). Monstrous Regen: 5 rounds of twice shifter level per round healed.
25% immune to elemental damage (classic 5). Regen 10. KD, Power Attack. SR of 5 + hitdie. 7 AC.

[Lokey]

Alright constructs.

Stats: S-48, D-30, C-24. 5 ac. +8/15 DR. -10 reflex saves to account for dex.
Immunes: crit, level drain, poison, disease, level 5 or lower spells.
Knockdown, cleave, disc + 20.

Iron: weapon-double sword. Ambidex, 2 weap fighting.
Slow breath: living creatures fort save or slowed for 5 rounds (not party friendly).
Vuln to electricity 50%. Slash immunity 50%.

Rock: weapon-dire mace. Ambidex, 2 weap fighting.
Kd bolt (ranged touch, reflex of 10 + shifter or kd 2 rounds).
Vuln to bludgeon 50%. Pierce immunity 50%.

Demonflesh: weapon-trident.
Regen ability same as Outsider form Slaad. Regen 10.
Vuln to fire 50%. Bludgeon immunity 50%.

[Fezz]

WOOOHOOOOOO you found a way to make one of the shapes a duel wielder !!!! way too cool ima make one - love it loki, i love it

[Lokey]

Abilities look ok, rough in the 20s dc-wise against Skara stuff. Kd bolt on clerics was nifty.

I'd never realized how bad the diremace is as a weap. Should we go to x3 crit or 19-20 threat range?

[Fezz]

i would say 19-20 crit range and leave the axe as the X3 weapon. Hows the ac on these constructs ?

[VagaStorm]

U can make changes to wepons like that without a hak pack? If so, evry exotic wep shouold get some loving since you need to take an extra feat to use.

[Lorkar]

From a personal viewpoint the dire weapons should always go with the increased crit multiplier.

[Daltian]

Dire weapons need a lot of love imho. Is there any way to make them finessable without hackpack?

[Bargeld]

If they become finessable, then I want a finesse 2 handed rapier w/ gnomes

No other weapon(s) can provide 1d8 on an off hand while maintaining the bonuses for 2 handed fighting. How about dire PIERCE weapons? Like maybe... a stick with both ends sharpened? Dual weapon type would rock also... like a spiked ball and chain on both ends of a quarterstaff. Dire swords deserve 2 damage types anyway.

[Lokey]

There will be no Darth Mauls! At least no effective ones

Wondering about granted ac being dodge, that would sting. Will check later, if that's the case we'll up dex on contructs and lower saves.

Edit: yep, that's the case. See edits above. Which affects the dragons big time...but I think they turned out ok?

[Lokey]

Upped saves slightly on the construct abilities with them. KD for 3 rounds or slow for 5...they can stand to be a little higher.

Dragons:

Rescaled the discipline bonus. High end dragons get a minor bonus to spot (class skill for shifters, druids have true seeing...). More combat feats.

Raised dex by 20, knocked granted ac down by 15, added -10 to reflex saves. See how that works.

[Nyeleni]

Druids may have true seeing but spot is cross class, a shifter will always have more spot in this way. Don't know why you are punishing the pure druids...

[mgrjebbo]

If they become finessable, then I want a finesse 2 handed rapier w/ gnomes

No other weapon(s) can provide 1d8 on an off hand while maintaining the bonuses for 2 handed fighting. .

Uh thats wrong.

[Bargeld]

If they become finessable, then I want a finesse 2 handed rapier w/ gnomes

No other weapon(s) can provide 1d8 on an off hand while maintaining the bonuses for 2 handed fighting. .

Uh thats wrong.

Kinda... the wrong part is that i said '2 handed', instead of '2 weapon'. But I thought that was an overly obvious mistake seeing how I said 'on an off hand'...

[Lorkar]

Druids may have true seeing but spot is cross class, a shifter will always have more spot in this way. Don't know why you are punishing the pure druids...

Druids get Bioware true seeing, right? Well then what the hell do they need spot for? Sounds like druids are getting a bonus since they no longer have to put skills in spot.