Rallying for Rangers in SL

[-Saviour Sev-]

Ranger is my favourite class and I believe that rangers should be a playable class in SL. I do not understand why they aren't.
As quoted from the wiki and class overview "Rangers are skilled stalkers and hunters ... the ranger focuses his skills and training on a specific enemy - a type of creature he bears a vengeful grudge against and hunts above all other" So a stealthy warrior that has a grudge against a specific enemy. Drow against Dwarves. Heck, any elf has a grudge against dwarfs. Sounds like a good fit in SL to me.

Here are two counter-arguments that I see.
- "No, rangers are at one with the wilderness, they are airy fairy woodsey types that aid others in travel through the woods, blah blah blah." - Yes well rangers can be of any alignment. I dont see a chaotic evil helping others, I see him going to whatever means necesary to hunt and slaughter his chosen enemy. Sounds like a good fit in SL to me.
- "Rangers don't belong underground, they belong in the wilderness" - Well why do RK have access to rangers? Don't the dwarves also live underground.
Also, surely if a ranger had a massive grudge against dwarves, or bugbears, or orcs, or anything that lives underground for that matter. Would they not venture undergroud to hunt these things?

As quoted from the NS wiki about the Shadow Legion "To swell their ranks they have had to put aside their disdain for non-Drow races, and have begun to recruit mercenaries of all kinds to hasten their conquest of Aetheria." Surely they would not say no to a chaotic evil ranger that has trained his entire life hunting dwarfs. Heck this ranger may not even like living underground, and may chose to live out in the wilderness. That doesn't mean that he is still recruited as a mercenary for the Legion, and is still doing their bidding. In fact I would go as far as to say that the drow would not like these non-drow mercenaries to be living in Menzoduran at all. They can come when they have business here, like to get orders from the High Priestess, etc, but to live among the drow? I think not.

A drow that worships Lolth is allowed in AO, or TC (drows can be neutral), so it does not make sense that they are not allowed in SL.
It seems like a perfect fit to me.

[Korr]

Off the top of my head, in 3.5e (which yes before peopel go off about that, I know this isnt PnP) Ranger is the only class (that doesnt already just have Knowledge(ANY)) that actually HAS Knowledge (Dungeoneering)!!! Which is the study of everything that lives underground... so they can tell whats what whether on the ground or in it! I agree totallyl, and while Im sure the devs have their own... and different thought about it, Im sure SL can give up a class if REALLy need be. But as far as alignment goes SL has one of the worst (I feel for NC on their aligment restrictions) because you HAVE to be evil... or at best be neutral and deal with +3 ECL (which is the best option . . . sadly). I think we would just really like feedback on why Rangers arent allowed in SL if the devs are going to keep it that way.


EDIT : 3 Ranger/Druid only spells - Camouflage, One with the Land, Mass Camouflage. . . all add atleast hide (OwtL adds others too) seems like it would fit the shadow legion well

[Lorkar]

Rangers strive to be one with their ecosystem, learning the trees, the herbs, the behavior of the indigenous animals, to recognize threats in their territory and protect it.

Rangers can do all of the above, below.

[Gornickthy]

Indeed... rangers would make the perfect scouts for SL in both the underdark and the lands above. There really is no obvious reason why they should not be allowed in the faction. In my opinion, if RK has them then SL should too.

[Daltian]

I know you'd love hipsing assassins. Would be easier if you just said so.

[DOGsoldier]

Indeed... rangers would make the perfect scouts for SL in both the underdark and the lands above. There really is no obvious reason why they should not be allowed in the faction. In my opinion, if RK has them then SL should too.

This has been discussed in the past and got shot down, but have you ever heard of a dwarf druid or a dwarf ranger? Both Menzo and RK are underground but that never made sense to me.

[Daltian]

This has been discussed in the past and got shot down, but have you ever heard of a dwarf druid or a dwarf ranger? Both Menzo and RK are underground but that never made sense to me.

Only in circus!

[Blystos Re]

Ranger is my favourite class and I believe that rangers should be a playable class in SL. I do not understand why they aren't.
A drow that worships Lolth is allowed in AO, or TC (drows can be neutral), so it does not make sense that they are not allowed in SL.
...It seems like a perfect fit to me.

Not that we're voting here, but here's 1 vote against. I don't know that I've ever met a dwarven ranger from RK, but then I do live a pretty sheltered life up here in my ivory tower.

Give NC rogues and sorcs and maybe I'll change my mind, but for now... BOOOOOO!!!!

[Blystos Re]

EDIT : 3 Ranger/Druid only spells - Camouflage, One with the Land, Mass Camouflage. . . all add atleast hide (OwtL adds others too) seems like it would fit the shadow legion well

... You do realize that all of those spells only work outside, right? Not to mention the speed bonus at 21.

[Amoenotep]

SL doesn't get rangers the same reason MA doesn't get monks....in fact, i'm not to sure why monks were allowed in TC. monky shifters are very hard to work around for balance.

[Daltian]

SL doesn't get rangers the same reason MA doesn't get monks....in fact, i'm not to sure why monks were allowed in TC. monky shifters are very hard to work around for balance.

Isn't there deflection AC penalty there in order to fix the imbalance?

[Shhhhhhh]

plus cant take epic shapes if you have a monk

[DOGsoldier]

monky shifters are very hard to work around for balance.

From announcements you do not get the bonus from wisdom in shifted form if you have monk in character classes.

[Korr]

The "outside" idea was a 3e thing, 3.5 everything was changed to "natural terrain". Which would mean some (not all i know) of the areas down below

[Daltian]

Isn't NWN based on 3e, not 3.5?