Shifter nerf

[chubbs]

give epic shifter shapes the ability to take monk class.

atleast i think its a good idea -_-

[chubbs]

I disabled damage and attack bonus copying from gauntlets. Damage comes strictly from what's in your weapon hand now... I have something that could do it from glove to weapon, just remember gaunts don't have enhancement bonus in ns4.

what? i thought only shapes that had a wep would get their wep in hand merged over to shifter shapes. are u saying that the unarmed shapes are ALSO getting wep merges?

[Daltian]

Great news mate. Picked up my spirit a lot. Thanks for your effort.

[Amoenotep]

with the various bugs/over writes in the shifter codes you all should be lucky your even getting it fixed. its been told you to many times this is a work in progress, so please...keep your minds open and clear when giving feedback.

saying your whole build is ruined because one thing got changed means your build sucked anyway. the only thing holding it together was something broken.

[burrahobbit]

saying your whole build is ruined because one thing got changed means your build sucked anyway. the only thing holding it together was something broken.

You couldnt be more wrong. The only way to make an uber toon is to center what you want to do with him around one or 2 things and make him/her acceptional at those 1 or 2 things. If your not building for a specific set of gear or ability then your going to always be B+ at best and that in my opinion is a waste of time. When you change things on folks mid build just after a wipe your bound to make folks upset.

[disastro]

for what its worth by way of perspective, i had a toon pre-wipe that capped at about 47-50 ab. and he killed A LOT of people in pvp. he had a lot of defense to cover for how long it took him to take folks down, but 50ish ab on a melee toon is certainly workable.

that kind of ab wont be able to deal with the uber dex lords of course, but it'll catch just about any pure caster and most metalmeisters.

[Amoenotep]

pre wipe i used a shifter in several fights. he was designed to be....a shifter. i would shift mid battle to fit the needs i had. he worked 6 shapes to his best ability and did quite well with all.

if your focus in shifter is on one specific shape then your whole mentality of a shifter is flawed. he's supposed to adapt to change and situations accordingly. thats why he has multiple shapes. if you concentrate all your efforts on the one shape that could do alot..then that shape will get burned and your build is the suck without it.

[Shhhhhhh]

That works great in theory, and thats a really nice selling point yeah, being able to switch shapes and fight in what shape you want depending on the enemy and the situation.
It works when you know ahead of time who you'll be fighting (non pvp)
But since shifting from 1 shape to another takes such a long time and you're totally defenseless when you're not shifted, shifting in PVP is rather difficult. Especially since you walk slow too, so you cant run away a bit to shift.
If only shifting was a free action

[Amoenotep]

thats the point..you don't know, thats why you have lots of shapes to use just in case you find out

[mgrjebbo]

Tep can you teach me how to play my fighter cause i cant seem to figure it out myself.

Can we lock this garbage already.

[Amoenotep]

i'm hoping constructive feedback over changes will get posted here....

[Lorkar]

i'm hoping constructive feedback over changes will get posted here....

Now that will be marked on the calender. I they take shifters down a peg or two thats fine by me, but then I would like to see the whole server taken down a peg or two magically speaking. I like the changes in the works as far as spells go. While its a work in progress, its work in the right direction. I said it a while ago but variety is the spice of life. I have to now think more about the build process which I like. And in closing before everyone goes postal step back and think about the reality of a PW server, it is always a work in progress.

[Daltian]

pre wipe i used a shifter in several fights. he was designed to be....a shifter. i would shift mid battle to fit the needs i had. he worked 6 shapes to his best ability and did quite well with all.

if your focus in shifter is on one specific shape then your whole mentality of a shifter is flawed. he's supposed to adapt to change and situations accordingly. thats why he has multiple shapes. if you concentrate all your efforts on the one shape that could do alot..then that shape will get burned and your build is the suck without it.

I had shifter pre wipe, with all the shapes. And it worked well except i had to chug haste potions like there is no tommorow. In order to get blinding speed I had to drop construct and dragon shape. Now I have undead shape and will have outsider shape at lvl 40 (if I ever bother to get there). Problem is I really don't feel like lvling up another 5 lvls with ecl3 with so much insecurity. Raskasha, which is great vs hipsers and wizards won't be any good if I cant hit anyone with his staff. And current trend of 45 ab at lvl 40 is scaring me. Also, if he doesn't have enough AC to survive bigsby, it is useless vs caster too. Even with immunity spells lvl 8 and lower. Bigsbi + tenser and I am dead. No chance at all to survive. I don't see a way to kill any build out there right now.

Please don't tell me I cant build my toons. Others can judge my toons in pvp, and it often happened to me that my foes were stunned by ability of my toons. (I am not talking about shifter only) I might not be the best out there, but I sure don't need to be ashamed of my builds.

And don't tell me how should specific class be played. Thats your view, there are no specific rules what should be done, and good builders actually excel in making something that is not ordinary and that common player wouldn't think of.

And also I might add you fought in several fights. I got years of combat with that shifter of mine. I fought many battles for TC relic with him. Defended and capped.

[number one bastard]

Tep can you teach me how to play my fighter cause i cant seem to figure it out myself.

Can we lock this garbage already.

this quote from jebbo wins the stupid award

you remind me of what i was always told, " better to let someone think you're an idiot, then to open your mouth ( or in your case, type) and prove it, ever try and say something nice to someone dude?

[Korr]

Wow I see alot of complaining because you had shifters that would near match AC/AB wise cross-classed near maximized other toons. And you had immunities a plenty to boot. Im sorry shifters cant run easily to 40 solo anymore. Welcome to the world of alot of other classes on NS4, its being worked on . . . constantly, thank the DMs and the Devs for their pride and dedication to making the game as good as possible for EVERYONE. G'nite!


Edit : Do what everyone else does... find a cleric and a bard to run with!